Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

I think TTR is pushing more about the ‘will change’ than the ‘has changed’ rA, and despite coming from a multicultural household I do see that diversity/multiculturalism has become a bit of a means to itself - a long long way from everyone asked for either

WTF are you on about? Diversity is one issue, it has links to multi culturalism but that's one strand of many. So its neither and/or as your implying, which suggests you don't fully understand what diversity means.

What do you mean a long way from (what) everyone asked for? The reality is hardly anyone asks for change, people would rather stick with what they know, which in a way is wise, but also means that they aren't used to people or culture that is different and hence tend to be suspicious of this. But on the other hand means that if we took too much notice of these people, the human race wouldn't have progressed very far over the centuries. Free thinkers, inventors and prophets have generally been scorned and attacked by the ignorant.

Given that for the vast majority of people multi culturalism hardly if at all impinges on their day to day lives, other than in the rabid **** stirring outpourings falsehoods pushed out by both mainstream and social media, what are you getting at?

I've lived in all sorts of situations, both urban with a high ethnic population, rural with mostly natives and currently quite rural with a high level of EU migration, in absolutely none of those situations has multi culturalism had a negative impact on my life or indeed anybody I know. The vast majority of problems and certainly any threats to my well being have been from the white natives.

But then I don't label one race, faith or creed of people as being more dangerous or problematic I understand that all humans of whatever race, faith or creed are capable of kindness, generosity, compassion, cruelty, violence, selfishness and that those commentators seeking to whip up division and suspicion amongst people and those likely to feed on such sentiment do so for their own devious ends, whether its making money as per the Clarkson's, Liddle's, Morgan, Hartley-Brewers et al or the politicians such as Farage, Trump, or Orban who use it to gain power and keep feeding it for support.

[ramAnag]

Jeez, when you hold up a country that goes from one crisis to another, generally interrupted by Military Coups, followed by technically democratic governments, but always a front for the military as a shining example of how a country should be, then any credibility one might have had is completely shot!!

Thailand’s Pheu Thai, the populist party linked to the deposed former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, is back in power for the first time since being ejected from office in a military coup in 2014 — ironically, in coalition with the proxy parties of the military junta that installed the last prime minister, Prayut Chan-ocha.

Thailand’s democratic processes have been subverted by not only a deeply illiberal constitution but also by a set of opaque machinations’ that unfolded in the wake of the May general election, at which Pheu Thai was unexpectedly pushed into 2nd place by a surge of votes for the reformist party Move Forward.


Still I guess one doesn't worry about the impact of on the general populace of poverty, false imprisonment, corruption, a crack down on individual rights, poor health care, low pay, drug and *** trafficking, etc. as long is it doesn't impinge on ones ability to lay around on a beach drinking and eating cheaply, without a thought as to who is being exploited to make ones stay pleasant!!

Why quote me? I’m just pointing out that a country that owes much of it’s wealth and ‘attraction’ to the s@x trade and consequent exploitation of young women isn’t necessarily somewhere to be held up as an example of having laws that protect ‘natives’ from foreigners. You seem to have more knowledge of the situation in Thailand than most, but I’m agreeing with you, so stop shouting.

[Andy_Faber]

WTF are you on about? Diversity is one issue, it has links to multi culturalism but that's one strand of many. So its neither and/or as your implying, which suggests you don't fully understand what diversity means.

What do you mean a long way from (what) everyone asked for? The reality is hardly anyone asks for change, people would rather stick with what they know, which in a way is wise, but also means that they aren't used to people or culture that is different and hence tend to be suspicious of this. But on the other hand means that if we took too much notice of these people, the human race wouldn't have progressed very far over the centuries. Free thinkers, inventors and prophets have generally been scorned and attacked by the ignorant.

Given that for the vast majority of people multi culturalism hardly if at all impinges on their day to day lives, other than in the rabid **** stirring outpourings falsehoods pushed out by both mainstream and social media, what are you getting at?

I've lived in all sorts of situations, both urban with a high ethnic population, rural with mostly natives and currently quite rural with a high level of EU migration, in absolutely none of those situations has multi culturalism had a negative impact on my life or indeed anybody I know. The vast majority of problems and certainly any threats to my well being have been from the white natives.

But then I don't label one race, faith or creed of people as being more dangerous or problematic I understand that all humans of whatever race, faith or creed are capable of kindness, generosity, compassion, cruelty, violence, selfishness and that those commentators seeking to whip up division and suspicion amongst people and those likely to feed on such sentiment do so for their own devious ends, whether its making money as per the Clarkson's, Liddle's, Morgan, Hartley-Brewers et al or the politicians such as Farage, Trump, or Orban who use it to gain power and keep feeding it for support.

You won’t restore your credibility here with constant ranting, perhaps responding to my request yesterday would be a baby step.

[GUNTERYY36]

You are already seeing the damage and danger all over tolerant Europe. It is this very tolerance which makes Europe so easily exploited.
It is no coincidence, that there are no terror attacks in Poland.

The refusal of individuals and organizations to address the issue of Islam shows the effectiveness of
fear – the real and justified fear of physical assault
and the fear of having one’s reputation smeared by
Islamists and their enabling fools. As a result, it
is often only the more extreme elements (such as
nationalist parties in Europe) who will address the
problems caused by Islam, which is then used to
bolster assertions that it’s mainly extremists who
are concerned about the impact of Islam on our
societies.

So where exactly is
the tipping point?
The consensus seems
to be that it occurs
when the Muslim
population hits
7-8% of the national
population

This is exactly what we are seeing now. Intimidation and violence to get demands met.
It is becoming indoctination in schools and has now filtered into the politics of the UK.

This sort of exploitation would not happen in a staunch Muslim country, in reverse.

Why is the middle east suddenly the number one priority of UK factions?
Because it all stems back to their religion and the hatred of Jews.

Nailed it. Every word of it.

[Trickytreesreds]

Why quote me? I’m just pointing out that a country that owes much of it’s wealth and ‘attraction’ to the s@x trade and consequent exploitation of young women isn’t necessarily somewhere to be held up as an example of having laws that protect ‘natives’ from foreigners. You seem to have more knowledge of the situation in Thailand than most, but I’m agreeing with you, so stop shouting.

Thailands tourism economy, generates 10% of GDP.. Are you saying that every visitor to Thailand goes for the *** trade? Or did you pluck that out your arse?

Maybe Holland includes its *** trade in their GDP tourism figures as well? That applies to many countries around the world as well.

[Trickytreesreds]

The UK has a set of laws to protect society. This was 11 years ago. Oh my, has it ramped up now.
How can a religious group be allowed to try to impose their will on the majority, then scream Islamaphobia if you object?
If anyone wants Sharia or a Muslim utopia, then there are plenty of countries that will appeal to that frame of mind.

God knows what it feels like to be Jew in London at the moment. If our MP's are worried and scared, how do they feel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcsG-u2GtZE&ab_channel=CNN

[Andy_Faber]

Thailands tourism economy, generates 10% of GDP.. Are you saying that every visitor to Thailand goes for the *** trade? Or did you pluck that out your arse?

Maybe Holland includes its *** trade in their GDP tourism figures as well? That applies to many countries around the world as well.

TTR and rA, there’s an excellent opportunity to set an example to the world - TTR stop referring to rAs former profession and rA don’t jump the Thai *** industry bandwagon. You’re both reasonable guys, scrap about other things!

[Trickytreesreds]

TTR and rA, there’s an excellent opportunity to set an example to the world - TTR stop referring to rAs former profession and rA don’t jump the Thai *** industry bandwagon. You’re both reasonable guys, scrap about other things!

for clarity, I am not being derogatory of RA's profession.
It is an honiurable one and in no way should any member of it, suffer abuse/ intimidation/ harrassment. I brought it up as he knows exactly how tight the corner educators are forced into. Having this on top of it, is a step way too far

The *** industry jibe usually comes from folks that have never even been there and if they had, would know what a laod of kak the statm,emt is
I am engaged to a beautiful Thai woman and as far removed from the label hurled as you could imagine. .
Thais actually have a sense of family and honour long forgotten here.
Even those girls caught up in the trade, do so in cognito.
The shame would destroy their families

[ramAnag]

Thailands tourism economy, generates 10% of GDP.. Are you saying that every visitor to Thailand goes for the *** trade? Or did you pluck that out your arse?

Maybe Holland includes its *** trade in their GDP tourism figures as well? That applies to many countries around the world as well.

I don’t think I’ve implied that at all. What I’ve suggested is that Thailand is renowned for s@x tourism and, despite your protestations, the s@x industry is renowned for being exploitative. I haven’t suggested anything at all about why you go there either before you accuse me of that.

[ramAnag]

for clarity, I am not being derogatory of RA's profession.
It is an honiurable one and in no way should any member of it, suffer abuse/ intimidation/ harrassment. I brought it up as he knows exactly how tight the corner educators are forced into. Having this on top of it, is a step way too far

The *** industry jibe usually comes from folks that have never even been there and if they had, would know what a laod of kak the statm,emt is
I am engaged to a beautiful Thai woman and as far removed from the label hurled as you could imagine. .
Thais actually have a sense of family and honour long forgotten here.
Even those girls caught up in the trade, do so in cognito.
The shame would destroy their families

I didn’t think you were being derogatory regarding my former profession, Tricky and I don’t think that’s what AF was suggesting…I just tire of people telling me what I should think… ‘as a former teacher’. The same never seems to be said to former - or current - prison officers, accountants, engineers, health professionals etc.

Neither was I making a ‘jibe’ about the Thai s*x industry. It’s a fact that there is a major s*x industry in Thailand. It’s also a fact that young women are exploited by those who visit to take advantage of that industry and so it seemed ironic for you to hold up Thailand as a beacon of
excellence in terms of protecting its citizens from exploitation by foreigners.

You say you are ‘engaged to a beautiful Thai woman’. To be clear, I have not, at any time suggested that the new lady in your life has any connection with s*x tourism, neither have I ever suggested that all tourists visit Thailand in search of that particular ‘attraction’. Good luck to the two of you.

[SithHappens]

Somewhere I'd love to go. Always fancied back packing but think I'm a bit old for that now.

[MadAmster]

Quote Originally Posted by Trickytreesreds View Post
Thailands tourism economy, generates 10% of GDP.. Are you saying that every visitor to Thailand goes for the *** trade? Or did you pluck that out your arse?

Maybe Holland includes its *** trade in their GDP tourism figures as well? That applies to many countries around the world as well.


The girls pay tax so I presume their income does get included in GDP figures.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Quote Originally Posted by Trickytreesreds View Post
Thailands tourism economy, generates 10% of GDP.. Are you saying that every visitor to Thailand goes for the *** trade? Or did you pluck that out your arse?

Maybe Holland includes its *** trade in their GDP tourism figures as well? That applies to many countries around the world as well.


The girls pay tax so I presume their income does get included in GDP figures.

Do the more successful ones also have to charge VAT if they are over the threshold. Makes me view "input tax" in a whole new light, and as for reverse charges, I'll say no more....

[MadAmster]

Maybe Holland includes its *** trade in their GDP tourism figures as well? That applies to many countries around the world as well.

The "ladies of the night" in the Netherlands pay tax on their income do I would presume that their earnings do form part of pour GDP.

[Trickytreesreds]

The "ladies of the night" in the Netherlands pay tax on their income do I would presume that their earnings do form part of pour GDP.

Whatever they do Maddy, does it put Holland in a bad light? No of course not.
Tourists from all over Europe flock to Amsterdam for just for the hookers and drugs only.
It certainly isn't why I'd visit Amsterdam and it shouldn't be the first thing that folks think before going there.
Folks assume, that the *** trade is everywhere in Thailand. It isn't. Even in Bangkok, its a district.
Funny thing is, the main customers of any Thai hooker is actually fellow Thais and asians. Not the white exploiters that folks seem to believe.
I really do hate folks labelling Thailand as just a flesh pot. Its an image they do not deserve.

Hre's food for thought for any that do and you never see folks mention this-
Prostitution is an increasingly large part of the Chinese economy, employing perhaps 10 million people, with an annual level of consumption of possibly 1 trillion RMB.