Election Year or Fear!

[Geoff Parkstone]

I'm amazed at that second paragraph rA, full of prejudice, lack of awareness and unfounded assertions. You've obviously not been in Nottingham on a saturday eve recently. And what is 'our own' supposed to mean? Bizarre.

It looks very like the good old "they're asking for it, ****ty white trash" defence to me?

[Trickytreesreds]

Firstly Tricky, let’s get the terminology right. The s*xual abusers we are speaking of are unlikely to be *****philes. *****philes are those with a s*xual interest in prepubescent children who have never been the target of grooming gangs.
The ‘grooming gangs’, in my experience, are interested in te*nagers. That is NOT me being an apologist for them in any shape or form but the vast majority of victims, again in my experience, are white te*agers from inadequate backgrounds.

Again I am not defending the grooming gangs in any way at all, but they are not alone in their attraction to te*nagers or fascination with ****age promiscuity. The image of the British schoolgirl is a common enough ***ual fantasy in many walks of life including very well to do English ‘gentlemen’ and where cultures are concerned it is possible to see how our own scantily clad ****agers can give out mixed messages compared with the more ‘well concealed’ Muslim counterparts. Again…in no way is that either an apology or a justification…just a clarification.

Name you one other ‘extreme’ group causing such chaos and divisiveness? Anyone on the extreme Right, especially Tommy Robinson and his henchmen, who will try and make political capital and cause social division at the slightest opportunity. You may not be as extreme but, as our resident advocate of right wing opinions, one only has to look at how your return has rapidly turned a General Election thread into something preoccupied with your own personal obsession…Islam.

As for Leicester. The rioting over, superficially at least, a cricket match was stupid, self defeating and unforgivable. It was also quite a long time ago and quite reminiscent of the predominantly white violence that took place at and after a Forest v Leicester football match in, if memory serves, the same year but, in your own words…you never ‘bothered to acknowledge that one’.

P.S. Sorry about the asterisks. There are so many I gave up trying to avoid them.

Terminology, mmmmmmmmmmm.
ok, depends on the person and which country you are in I suppose.
Me personally, anyone above a certain age, that interferes with a "child " under the age of consent is a peado.

In Western societies, a diagnosis of a pedophilic disorder requires that the person be 16 years old or older and at least 5 years older than the child who is the object of the ***ual fantasies or activity.
That's quoted definition from Wiki,

Secondly, I am astonished at your description of a British schoolgirl, as though it was an excuse for the abuse they received. Many of those kids, were vulnerable from broken homes or in care. In fact, your description was borderline disgusting. No Muslim/ or other ethnicitys targetted, just white girls
I can counter your example, with the reverse, of the men of mainly Pakistani rogin, whose country where it is illegal to have *** before marriage, though girls of 14 CAN BE MARRIED OFF. SO THEY COME HERE AND TREAT THE PLACE LIKE A SWEET SHOP.
Not forgetting, their religion, actually endorses child marriage, where the Prophet thought a girl of 6 would make a nice wife. Though to be fair, he did wait until she was 9 before ***. Then you expect Muslim men to have a conscience with the UK age of consent?

if your children or grand children, want to walk about in a mini skirt and tight top, they can. It is the UK and we have laws to protect them. Never say that to me again about mixed messages. Rape and abuse, with drink and drugs is disgusting.

You mention Tomy Robinson and his henchmen. Exactly who have threatened/killed/ targeted with actual racial abuse? All of which are crimes. They may not be my cup of tea, but they have the right to criticse Islam an its ways, the above being a prime example.
Call it divisive as much as you want, but silence of saying nothing, is divisive as well, As abuse and crimes carry on unabated.

LOL, you simplify the Leicester week long riots, as a cricket match fall out? You compare it, to a domestic football match grudge,are you insane?
Have you actually considered, that Muslims and Hindu's actually do HATE each other?
They have history of hate going back a long way and now that they are no longer in India and Pakistan, that hate has simply vanished?

I've news my friend. It hasn;t . I have seen it first hand in factories I have worked in/ visted. Where segregation is the only way round it.
When India was partitioned, anywhere up to 2 million Hindu's/Sikhs/Muslims were slaughtered and butchered.

Yet, come to Britian, we are all one big happy family, forget about it.

[ramAnag]

It looks very like the good old "they're asking for it, ****ty white trash" defence to me?

Well it does if you want to interpret it that way but that most certainly wasn’t my intention.

I genuinely have no idea what is prejudicial, inaccurate or unfounded, Andy. I’m not defending, I’m simply offering a degree of explanation for what is happening. Please explain your indignation. ‘Our own’? Not the best choice of words I’ll concede but in this instance…those ****agers belonging to the dominant white ‘culture’.

[ramAnag]

Terminology, mmmmmmmmmmm.
ok, depends on the person and which country you are in I suppose.
Me personally, anyone above a certain age, that interferes with a "child " under the age of consent is a peado.

In Western societies, a diagnosis of a pedophilic disorder requires that the person be 16 years old or older and at least 5 years older than the child who is the object of the ***ual fantasies or activity.
That's quoted definition from Wiki,

Secondly, I am astonished at your description of a British schoolgirl, as though it was an excuse for the abuse they received. Many of those kids, were vulnerable from broken homes or in care. In fact, your description was borderline disgusting. No Muslim/ or other ethnicitys targetted, just white girls
I can counter your example, with the reverse, of the men of mainly Pakistani rogin, whose country where it is illegal to have *** before marriage, though girls of 14 CAN BE MARRIED OFF. SO THEY COME HERE AND TREAT THE PLACE LIKE A SWEET SHOP.
Not forgetting, their religion, actually endorses child marriage, where the Prophet thought a girl of 6 would make a nice wife. Though to be fair, he did wait until she was 9 before ***. Then you expect Muslim men to have a conscience with the UK age of consent?

if your children or grand children, want to walk about in a mini skirt and tight top, they can. It is the UK and we have laws to protect them. Never say that to me again about mixed messages. Rape and abuse, with drink and drugs is disgusting.

You mention Tomy Robinson and his henchmen. Exactly who have threatened/killed/ targeted with actual racial abuse? All of which are crimes. They may not be my cup of tea, but they have the right to criticse Islam an its ways, the above being a prime example.
Call it divisive as much as you want, but silence of saying nothing, is divisive as well, As abuse and crimes carry on unabated.

LOL, you simplify the Leicester week long riots, as a cricket match fall out? You compare it, to a domestic football match grudge,are you insane?
Have you actually considered, that Muslims and Hindu's actually do HATE each other?
They have history of hate going back a long way and now that they are no longer in India and Pakistan, that hate has simply vanished?

I've news my friend. It hasn;t . I have seen it first hand in factories I have worked in/ visted. Where segregation is the only way round it.
When India was partitioned, anywhere up to 2 million Hindu's/Sikhs/Muslims were slaughtered and butchered.

Yet, come to Britian, we are all one big happy family, forget about it.

I’ve never come across that definition of a *****phile, Tricky. I’ve always understood it to be, as the word suggests, a ***ual obsession with young (prepubescent) children, so we’ll have to differ there.

Neither have I offered a ‘description of a British schoolgirl’ and I’ve made it clear that I am not defending or excusing the grooming gangs/ abusers. I’ve simply tried to provide a context and some degree of explanation, NOT justification.
The girls I worked with, quite some time ago, were universally white and from poor backgrounds. They were undeniably victims but they weren’t entirely innocent and neither were their parents. As I say…that isn’t defending what happens but it is providing a context.

IN MY EXPERIENCE, and having been a child protection coordinator I do have some, there is little to choose between the cultures as far as ***ual abuse is concerned. I have taken part in scores of meetings involving white children who have been abused by family members, usually parents, uncles or grandparents. Equally I have taken part in not quite so many meetings where organised ***ual abuse by Muslim groups has been the subject. Unfortunately the girls concerned in the second scenario were often (not always) complicit in activities which they initially thought of as a ‘laugh’ and a source of income. I’m sorry if that offends anyone’s sensibilities but it is my experience. It isn’t a defence but I’m not going to apologise for saying what I witnessed.

As regards your comments about ‘mini skirts and tight tops’. You’re right of course…girls and women should be free to dress as they wish, however as a parent of a daughter and someone with four female granddaughters I fear that in the real world you are being a tad idealistic. Just as any responsible parent or grandparent would provide advice about where is safe, what time they should be in, what dangers they should look out for so we sometimes have to provide advice about behaviours including modes of dress. In an imperfect world what may be safe in some situations and company might be foolish and dangerous in others.

Beyond that, the ***ualisation of children by the fashion industry and certain types of parent is something I find quite alarming. I don’t say that as any kind of prude, far from it, but I can see how that can be a source of cultural confusion. Again not an excuse for those of any creed or colour who seek to exploit children/young people.

We won’t agree about TR and his ilk. I despise them, you support or at least sympathise with them. You asked for an example of another divisive group other than Muslims…I provided one…and I’ve never suggested that Britain is ‘one big happy family’ - again far from it but we used to live in a country that, sixty odd years ago, openly compared Black and Irish people to dogs and where, rather more recently, idiots threw bananas at black footballers. Thankfully we’ve moved on, although there might be many Muslims who wonder whether that actually is the case.

[swaledale]

Terminology, mmmmmmmmmmm.
ok, depends on the person and which country you are in I suppose.
Me personally, anyone above a certain age, that interferes with a "child " under the age of consent is a peado.

In Western societies, a diagnosis of a pedophilic disorder requires that the person be 16 years old or older and at least 5 years older than the child who is the object of the ***ual fantasies or activity.
That's quoted definition from Wiki,

Secondly, I am astonished at your description of a British schoolgirl, as though it was an excuse for the abuse they received. Many of those kids, were vulnerable from broken homes or in care. In fact, your description was borderline disgusting. No Muslim/ or other ethnicitys targetted, just white girls
I can counter your example, with the reverse, of the men of mainly Pakistani rogin, whose country where it is illegal to have *** before marriage, though girls of 14 CAN BE MARRIED OFF. SO THEY COME HERE AND TREAT THE PLACE LIKE A SWEET SHOP.
Not forgetting, their religion, actually endorses child marriage, where the Prophet thought a girl of 6 would make a nice wife. Though to be fair, he did wait until she was 9 before ***. Then you expect Muslim men to have a conscience with the UK age of consent?

if your children or grand children, want to walk about in a mini skirt and tight top, they can. It is the UK and we have laws to protect them. Never say that to me again about mixed messages. Rape and abuse, with drink and drugs is disgusting.

You mention Tomy Robinson and his henchmen. Exactly who have threatened/killed/ targeted with actual racial abuse? All of which are crimes. They may not be my cup of tea, but they have the right to criticse Islam an its ways, the above being a prime example.
Call it divisive as much as you want, but silence of saying nothing, is divisive as well, As abuse and crimes carry on unabated.

LOL, you simplify the Leicester week long riots, as a cricket match fall out? You compare it, to a domestic football match grudge,are you insane?
Have you actually considered, that Muslims and Hindu's actually do HATE each other?
They have history of hate going back a long way and now that they are no longer in India and Pakistan, that hate has simply vanished?

I've news my friend. It hasn;t . I have seen it first hand in factories I have worked in/ visted. Where segregation is the only way round it.
When India was partitioned, anywhere up to 2 million Hindu's/Sikhs/Muslims were slaughtered and butchered.

Yet, come to Britian, we are all one big happy family, forget about it.

Fascinating that our resident Forum racist and xenophobe should prove to have an in depth knowledge of *****philia? Perhaps you should be careful before you reveal too much about your other obsession?

[swaledale]

It looks very like the good old "they're asking for it, ****ty white trash" defence to me?

Which if one actually reads the reports into the failure to respond and tackle these grooming cases, the main reason was that the Police and authorities took the view that these girls were asking for it, were beneath contempt and consequently took little notice of their complaints or gave up when the victims went back to the abusers.

The same attitude can be seen in the failure of the Glasgow rapist, the Police were not motivated to act on complaints because she was a *** worker.

[Trickytreesreds]

Election year madness continues . Good old SNP hilarity never ends

The Scottish Govermment document says it would have a seat at the table at the UN, join the EU and be a full member of the Nato military alliance, while also removing nuclear weapons from the country.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-ministers-to-set-out-plans-for-removing-nuclear-weapons-after-independence-4540930

[Trickytreesreds]

Which if one actually reads the reports into the failure to respond and tackle these grooming cases, the main reason was that the Police and authorities took the view that these girls were asking for it, were beneath contempt and consequently took little notice of their complaints or gave up when the victims went back to the abusers.

The same attitude can be seen in the failure of the Glasgow rapist, the Police were not motivated to act on complaints because she was a *** worker.

Yes they did. But the question remains why?
1. It was hot potato of race rumbles, they didn't want to deal with
2. The girls being blamed was easier
2. The people complicit in the abuse spread far and wide, which was a road they didn't want to go down. Yep, local councillors were either involved, or part of the cover up.

The whole episode is a blight on British justice and shameful, in the name of multiculturalism and not rocking the boat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlCCHG3DivU&ab_channel=GBNews

[MadAmster]

Election year madness continues . Good old SNP hilarity never ends

The Scottish Govermment document says it would have a seat at the table at the UN, join the EU and be a full member of the Nato military alliance, while also removing nuclear weapons from the country.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...ndence-4540930

An independent Scotland would, possibly not immediately but certainly would, have a seat at the UN, would join the EU, be a full member of NATO and would get the Westminster government to house their nuclear weapons outside of Scotland.

[Trickytreesreds]

An independent Scotland would, possibly not immediately but certainly would, have a seat at the UN, would join the EU, be a full member of NATO and would get the Westminster government to house their nuclear weapons outside of Scotland.

wow, really? You seem cetain there Maddy.
1. They have a massive way to go to join the EU, as they fail meet its requirements and have to get every member to vote yes
2. NATO, is exactly the same, New members must be invited by a consensus of current members.

Decisions to invite new members must take into account the required ratification process in the member states.
3. Nuclear weapons, move them and who is to say the UK is not going to disband every military station it can as a result?

This is chest beating desperation without explaining the difficulties involved and its implications, such as jobs at bases and ship yards .
Which is normal SNP bull****.
Paint a pretty picture and ignore the mess.

[ramAnag]

I see that the Trump campaign is now producing a number of faked ‘photos’ of their hero in the company of African Americans in order to try and win the support of the ‘black vote’.
People really are going to have to take care to separate the fact from the deep fake on both sides of the Atlantic this time around.

[MadAmster]

wow, really? You seem cetain there Maddy.
1. They have a massive way to go to join the EU, as they fail meet its requirements and have to get every member to vote yes
2. NATO, is exactly the same, New members must be invited by a consensus of current members.

Decisions to invite new members must take into account the required ratification process in the member states.
3. Nuclear weapons, move them and who is to say the UK is not going to disband every military station it can as a result?

This is chest beating desperation without explaining the difficulties involved and its implications, such as jobs at bases and ship yards .
Which is normal SNP bull****.
Paint a pretty picture and ignore the mess.

What stations and where?

An independent Scotland would be perfectly well within their rights to tell Westminster to house UK nukes in the UK. I presume any new Scottish government would keep the various Scots regiments, they would not be disbanding all bases. Part of any "divorce" agreement would be the splitting up of assets and liabilities. Scotland has 8% of the UK populace so they'd be entitled to 8% of the Air Force planes, Navy ships, Army weapons etc. They'd also be entitled to 8% of the nuclear arsenal although they'll probably decline that.

EU. Wouldn't get a shoe in but many EU states have already said they'd welcome an independent Scotland. NATO? Again it wouldn't be a shoe in but they would join. Scots regiments are legendary fighters.

[Andy_Faber]

EU. Wouldn't get a shoe in but many EU states have already said they'd welcome an independent Scotland.

But Spain haven’t and won’t because it sets a precedent for Catalonia

[MadAmster]

But Spain haven’t and won’t because it sets a precedent for Catalonia

Only a precedent if Catalonia legally gains independence.

[Andy_Faber]

Only a precedent if Catalonia legally gains independence.

QED Catalonia has no legal means, neither does Scotland