Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

It seems a bit of a common trait amongst you apologists that you choose not to take into account population demographics when making such assertions. The last government study found that 81% of perpetrators were white, roughly in line with the population. Recent posts including but not exclusively your own are riddled with such ignorance

Its seems a bit of a common trait amongst closet racists to try and skew the facts and be a little clever with the statistics, when its actually rather more nuanced than that, even though the figures support what I was saying. How do you know I chose not to mention demographics?

Really not sure how you work out I was acting as apologist, I was merely pointing out the inconvenient fact that actually (as the official Home Office support stated) ethnicity isn't the big problem here, its a failure by those in authority to take vulnerable women and children seriously. Now it might suit the unthinking gammon to blame it on Asians, but that actually won't resolve the issue will it?

I get it that racists will be racists - but I live in the real world and would actually rather like to see the perpetrators of whatever ethnicity brought to justice and women and children protected. But then that's not the name of Trickys game is it?

[Trickytreesreds]

Do stop shouting Tricky…using a bigger font doesn’t make anyone take any more notice of you.

The ‘topic of the thread’ as you call it is the impending elections on either side of the Atlantic. Islam, Muslims and *****philia hadn’t been mentioned until you resurfaced and the tone had been quite reasoned and rational.

Why not start your own thread in your capacity as the forum’s guest ‘foreign correspondent’? See how many people want a sensible discussion about immigration and Islam instead of piggybacking and catastrophizing an existing one.

CORRECT, CURRENT IMPENDING ELECTIONS.

We have just had a new MP admitted, who campaigned on the demographics, of Gaza first?
A UK MP, elected on the back of a Muslim problem 3000 miles away.
The reasons why are there for everyone to see, but you think it's irrelevent.
Welcome to religious sectarianism in the electorate.

[Trickytreesreds]

Its seems a bit of a common trait amongst closet racists to try and skew the facts and be a little clever with the statistics, when its actually rather more nuanced than that, even though the figures support what I was saying. How do you know I chose not to mention demographics?

Really not sure how you work out I was acting as apologist, I was merely pointing out the inconvenient fact that actually (as the official Home Office support stated) ethnicity isn't the big problem here, its a failure by those in authority to take vulnerable women and children seriously. Now it might suit the unthinking gammon to blame it on Asians, but that actually won't resolve the issue will it?

I get it that racists will be racists - but I live in the real world and would actually rather like to see the perpetrators of whatever ethnicity brought to justice and women and children protected. But then that's not the name of Trickys game is it?

No you wasn't, and never have.
Youa re an apologist and always have been. Call out every wrong doing then.
There is no coincidence that the far left and Islamic radicalism and now partners in crime.

Here's a lovely video for you of what the current hate peddling is going on. Bearing in made this krank bussed himself in from Germany.
This behaviour is now dictating , who is voted in.
You've been rumbled before when it comes to racist accusations deary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lHbV_NRifk&ab_channel=MahyarTousiTV

So all in all your last post, is wrong on many levels and demonstrates just how your thoughts are influenced by the cr@p you read online, rather than the product of genuine critical thinking and your not calling anything out for what it is, rather your using a particular series of events to falsely justify your obvious xenophobia, bigotry and racism.

So which bit is xenophobic, bigotry, and racist then.

You are the equivalent of a 20mm cannon at a rabbit shoot, when it comes to trying to hush someone up. Corbyn has nothing on you

[ramAnag]

CORRECT, CURRENT IMPENDING ELECTIONS.

We have just had a new MP admitted, who campaigned on the demographics, of Gaza first?
A UK MP, elected on the back of a Muslim problem 3000 miles away.
The reasons why are there for everyone to see, but you think it's irrelevent.
Welcome to religious sectarianism in the electorate.

I don’t think it’s ‘irrelevant’…I just don’t think the circumstances and the individual concerned make it at all indicative of the issues that the next General Election will - or should - be fought on.
The exceptional circumstances of the Rochdale by-election and ‘Curious George’ are not high on most people’s list of concerns. He’s another self serving attention seeker…the political opposite of Farage but otherwise they have much in common.

[Andy_Faber]

How do you know I chose not to mention demographics?

I know you chose not to mention demographics because I read your post, you didn’t mention demographics

I know you chose not to take account of demographics because you never do when it’s inconvenient for your line of reasoning, the regrettable thing being that you drag people along with you. Your posts are riddled with prejudicial inaccuracies and unfounded assertions - try your assertion ‘there are more bad (U.K.) ‘Christians’ that bad (U.K.) Muslims - pure invention on your part which you never offered any substantiation for despite being asked to

Note also the lack of name calling in my post, something you seem addicted to - used extensively by you and your like to deflect from poor lines of argument

[Trickytreesreds]

Meanwhile the BBC get it wrong again. Get abused, convert to Islam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUtUWXKOqXI&ab_channel=GBNews

Politics want to focus on Islam issues?

Surreal

[ramAnag]

Meanwhile the BBC get it wrong again. Get abused, convert to Islam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUtUWXKOqXI&ab_channel=GBNews

Politics want to focus on Islam issues?

Surreal

Lol! So now you’re holding up GBNews - the most politically motivated and biased broadcasting organisation of all time - as an arbiter of truth and a ‘watchdog’ for the BBC. That truly is ‘surreal’.

[Andy_Faber]

Lol! So now you’re holding up GBNews - the most politically motivated and biased broadcasting organisation of all time - as an arbiter of truth and a ‘watchdog’ for the BBC. That truly is ‘surreal’.

BUT have you fact checked the issue or even watched the vid? I doubt the latter and know you haven’t done the former. I will be doing this evening, not because of the subject matter or because I am pro TTR but because its more revealing to do so than shoot the messenger (or for that matter calling anyone who disagrees with you Nazis or gammons). If I find TTRs assertion to be a load of old cobblers I’ll report back, if not I’ll do the same

[ramAnag]

BUT have you fact checked the issue or even watched the vid? I doubt the latter and know you haven’t done the former. I will be doing this evening, not because of the subject matter or because I am pro TTR but because its more revealing to do so than shoot the messenger (or for that matter calling anyone who disagrees with you Nazis or gammons). If I find TTRs assertion to be a load of old cobblers I’ll report back, if not I’ll do the same

No…neither have I read ‘The Sun’ today for much the same reason, and if you think I call people ‘Nazis’ or ‘Gammons’ then you’re mistakenly confused.
Not my style, as I don’t think it helps anyone, so you might want to withdraw that one…and it’s not about being ‘pro’ (or anti) TTR…my point is about the credibility of any broadcasting organisation when the majority of their contributors are made up of discredited Tories and Brexit campaigners.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I think the reference to calling people "Nazis and gammons" is aimed at the pilot, not the rear gunner 😄.

[ramAnag]

I think the reference to calling people "Nazis and gammons" is aimed at the pilot, not the rear gunner ��.

In which case, replying to me and referring to - ‘calling anyone who disagrees with YOU Nazis or gammons’ - seems, as I said, either confused or out of order wouldn’t you agree?

[MadAmster]

IMO, Swale has said, clearly, that according to the Home Office, white under 30s form the majority of the groomers, not Asian grooming gangs.

He has also said, forcefully, that most of the problems in gaining convictions is that the police, social services etc, whether the perpetrators be white, brown, black or pink with yellow spots, fail to take the victims seriously.

Just maybe, he didn't mention demographics as they appear to be irrelevant here. The problem, apart from the fact that the perps shouldn't have done what they did.... is that the authorities blamed the victims and didn't do their jobs properly.

[Andy_Faber]

In which case, replying to me and referring to - ‘calling anyone who disagrees with YOU Nazis or gammons’ - seems, as I said, either confused or out of order wouldn’t you agree?

Confused. It didn’t confuse GP.

The reference was more specifically to Swale (on here) and an army (air force) of similar left-minded folk who pollute the internet with such insults instead of providing a rebuttal to right-leaning assertions. Not saying there isn’t a load of b*****ks from the right-leaners but I thought, to quote yourself, ‘you (to be dead clear not you personally) are better than that

See as a great example of a reasonable response, MA’s recent post which, while I don’t agree with some of it, at least offers some thought through stuff

[ramAnag]

Confused. It didn’t confuse GP.

The reference was more specifically to Swale (on here) and an army (air force) of similar left-minded folk who pollute the internet with such insults instead of providing a rebuttal to right-leaning assertions. Not saying there isn’t a load of b*****ks from the right-leaners but I thought, to quote yourself, ‘you (to be dead clear not you personally) are better than that

Clear as mud that, AF. A simple ‘sorry, I got the wrong target’ would suffice but heh ho.

Agree about MA’s response but the problem, imo, is that a reasonable and objective thread is being turned into an anti Muslim rant by one person in the same way as Right wingers as a whole will attempt to sidetrack away from what should be the main electoral issues by turning divisive and disproportionate attention towards Muslims and migrants.

We can expect a lot more of this from the populists, the hard core Brexiteers and the extreme Right, including GBNews, when what we should really be considering are, to be ultra topical today, such matters as the future of our nation and such issues as the NHS/public spending v tax cuts, Green issues and foreign policy. To that extent this forum is simply becoming a microcosm of society as a whole…all sound and fury and very little reason.

[Geoff Parkstone]

It's time for the reintroduction of ye, thee and thou so that there is a more clear distinction between you (singular) and you (plural). You, be it nominative or dative, seems a bit overused and needs to catch a break here.

And so to the budget. An odd one, don't like the NI cut as I don't benefit from it! But designed to win a few votes from those who don't think too hard about it. In a move that is a bit odd for pro enterprise Tories, it's just shifting a bigger proportion of the cost of public services onto the employer which in the long run will fuel inflation and eat up the 450 pa cut in tax burden paid by average Joe Public.

Not really a major pre election vote buying giveaway thankfully, just a few positive noises some may fall for. Do like the equity in the change to high income earners child benefit rules: been a long time coming that one.