Election Year or Fear!

[Andy_Faber]

I knew it was Andy. Though my point was more about why the media don't cover it. From the BBC and the papers
RA was a classic example of the ostrich syndome and die in ignorance club.

I refuse to listen/watch/ discuss anything that comes from that source. Even though no one else wants to report on it for their own political agendas.

Disgusting, it has come to this. Free speech even dictated by the news, by censorship.

Sorry that’s the fact checking I did - that BBC covered / made a point about the original events, appear less keen to do the same when the truth emerges

My ‘issue’ is almost always about media manipulation from any source, I have more of an issue when BBC do it because they are doing it at my expense. I think GB News, shouty as it is (a bit like you) is becoming an interesting foil for some of the more biased reporting elsewhere

[Trickytreesreds]

Sorry that’s the fact checking I did - that BBC covered / made a point about the original events, appear less keen to do the same when the truth emerges

My ‘issue’ is almost always about media manipulation from any source, I have more of an issue when BBC do it because they are doing it at my expense. I think GB News, shouty as it is (a bit like you) is becoming an interesting foil for some of the more biased reporting elsewhere

The truth is what we all need and deserve. As said, this is an election year and every issue counts.
I am sick to death of elements of media, reporting only on what they "feel we need to know or what suits their bias" . The BBC is a classic of jump on the bang wagon and this is a case of them trumpetting something, which blew up in their face.

NB, for RA.

How can you judge anything, that you don't even watch/read?
You tust the BBC/Guardian, yet they get caught out regularly with bias and bendy truths.
Surely, it is better to assimulate all and make your own mind up. I read your Guardian as well as the Sun and others. Sure I don't watch live BBC, but I do the rounds with them off youtube.

Let me tell you with GB news. Lets say they were having a discussion on immigration. You would have someone from the right opposing it and someone from the left defending it, as well as a middle person. Now how many times can you see the BBC do that? I stopped watching question time, because of their panel bias leaning.

[ramAnag]

OH RA, I know sometimes the topics you don't like crop up, simply because they are not complete Tory bashing, which suits you.
But my "rants" as you call them, erupted after, Parliament got its nickers in a twist, over Labour MP's rebelling over a ceasefire, Starmer doing the honkey cokey to avoid a riot and the SNP + Torys behaving like kids. All over an issue thousands of miles away from the country.
In the meantime, the speaker was hung out to dry, a Bye election was hijacked, all for the same reason Of Islamic sectarianism.

the rhetoric has been stepped up from crime/ grooming etc, into the push for an Islamic presence in the way the country is run. It is very relevant thank you very much- an election is coming.

You had better get used to it as well. Blair allowed the influx to begin, in the hope of swelling his electorate coffers. It is now about to blow up in Labours face, as more Independents stand and Muslim regions turn to them. It won;t be long before a proper Muslim issue party comes along , with over 5 million Muslim votes to chase.

Your last bye election. a Labour stong hold- no mention of tax/ NHS/ green/ jobs/ cost of living. GAZA, YES GAZA was the main selling point. Islam issues first?
If that isn't relevant I don't know what is. If you want to slag populists off and GB news for showing it, then do so. But don't ignore the problem, because its real, jyust the same as immigration will be a main topic in the election.

Swale calls me a xenophobe? That makes me laugh. a person having a dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.
I'm all over the place, had a native Canadian Indian girlfriend and currently engaged to a Thai. Yearh, I hate foreigners lol.

Fact for you- this country has taken in more people of the last 25 years, than it did over the last 2000 years.
I don't dislike immigration, but I do dislike mass immigration, it's destroying the country. The last Brexit vote was was fought on that.
Pity the Tories forgot that.


You may not like it either,

Tricky, I don’t ‘bash Tories’…I may often disagree with the decent ones but in a constructive way. For the record, I do dislike what the Tory Party has become over recent times and I do detest the extreme Right.

What Swale ‘calls’ you has got absolutely nothing to do with me. He has his ways, I have mine…we often agree politically…we sometimes engage in unnecessarily angry disagreement about DCFC…end of.

You seem to have a sudden liking for figures so here’s some which I hope will provide a perspective for you.

At the moment an estimated 6.5% of the population are Muslim which of course means that 93.5% are not. I know it seems different in places like Tower Hamlets and Bradford because of the inclination for cultural communities (Chinese, Jewish, British ex pats abroad and Muslims etc) to group together…but the fact is, just 6.5% of the UK’s population is Muslim.

In 2020 the Centre of Expertise on Child S@xual Abuse reported that 89% of offenders are White, 6% are Asian and 3% are Black.

You may not like the figures above but feel free to have them fact checked.

Btw…statistics also show that 99% of child abusers are male. By your recent logic that doesn’t reflect too well on you, me or the rest of this forum does it?

[ramAnag]

The truth is what we all need and deserve. As said, this is an election year and every issue counts.
I am sick to death of elements of media, reporting only on what they "feel we need to know or what suits their bias" . The BBC is a classic of jump on the bang wagon and this is a case of them trumpetting something, which blew up in their face.

NB, for RA.

How can you judge anything, that you don't even watch/read?
You tust the BBC/Guardian, yet they get caught out regularly with bias and bendy truths.
Surely, it is better to assimulate all and make your own mind up. I read your Guardian as well as the Sun and others. Sure I don't watch live BBC, but I do the rounds with them off youtube.

Let me tell you with GB news. Lets say they were having a discussion on immigration. You would have someone from the right opposing it and someone from the left defending it, as well as a middle person. Now how many times can you see the BBC do that? I stopped watching question time, because of their panel bias leaning.

‘How can you judge anything that you don’t even watch/read?’ - followed five lines later by - ‘I stopped watching Question Time, because of their panel bias leaning.’ Classic.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Tricky, I don’t ‘bash Tories’…I may often disagree with the decent ones but in a constructive way. For the record, I do dislike what the Tory Party has become over recent times and I do detest the extreme Right.

What Swale ‘calls’ you has got absolutely nothing to do with me. He has his ways, I have mine…we often agree politically…we sometimes engage in unnecessarily angry disagreement about DCFC…end of.

You seem to have a sudden liking for figures so here’s some which I hope will provide a perspective for you.

At the moment an estimated 6.5% of the population are Muslim which of course means that 93.5% are not. I know it seems different in places like Tower Hamlets and Bradford because of the inclination for cultural communities (Chinese, Jewish, British ex pats abroad and Muslims etc) to group together…but the fact is, just 6.5% of the UK’s population is Muslim.

In 2020 the Centre of Expertise on Child S@xual Abuse reported that 89% of offenders are White, 6% are Asian and 3% are Black.

You may not like the figures above but feel free to have them fact checked.

Btw…statistics also show that 99% of child abusers are male. By your recent logic that doesn’t reflect too well on you, me or the rest of this forum does it?

I identify as a female water buffalo, so don't drag me into your poorly reflected group

[MadAmster]

I identify as a female water buffalo, so don't drag me into your poorly reflected group

I self identify as a billionaire. An angry one, at that. The damned bank won't give me my money.

[Trickytreesreds]

Tricky, I don’t ‘bash Tories’…I may often disagree with the decent ones but in a constructive way. For the record, I do dislike what the Tory Party has become over recent times and I do detest the extreme Right.

What Swale ‘calls’ you has got absolutely nothing to do with me. He has his ways, I have mine…we often agree politically…we sometimes engage in unnecessarily angry disagreement about DCFC…end of.

You seem to have a sudden liking for figures so here’s some which I hope will provide a perspective for you.

At the moment an estimated 6.5% of the population are Muslim which of course means that 93.5% are not. I know it seems different in places like Tower Hamlets and Bradford because of the inclination for cultural communities (Chinese, Jewish, British ex pats abroad and Muslims etc) to group together…but the fact is, just 6.5% of the UK’s population is Muslim.

In 2020 the Centre of Expertise on Child S@xual Abuse reported that 89% of offenders are White, 6% are Asian and 3% are Black.

You may not like the figures above but feel free to have them fact checked.

Btw…statistics also show that 99% of child abusers are male. By your recent logic that doesn’t reflect too well on you, me or the rest of this forum does it?

Sorry RA, but is seems that what Andy was trying to point out to you earlier, you choose to ignore.
If I was to take your figures of 89% white offenders, then I can well believe it, though the figures I have seen banded about are 10 years + out of date . But if you apply the demographics of population/per crime, then it falls down.
Do the figures collate that way in London/Birmigham/Leicester/Bradford/Oldham/Rotherham? No they don't.
If you want, perhaps you'd like to apply that, to the rape figures across the whole country?

As of 2024- According to Office for National Statistics, the makeup of ethnic groups are: 87.1% White, 7.0% Asian, 3.0% Black, 2.0% Mixed and 0.9% others.

White & Black African. White & Asian. Currently, there are 8,106 male *** offenders in the prisons of England and Wales6. Of this group, 81.9% are White; 9.9% are Black/Black British; 5.6% are Asian/Asian British; and 2.2 are Other/mixed (the ethnicity of 0.4% is not recorded).

What you are avoiding is-
1. how many of these rapists/*** offenders have we imported?
2. How many targetted specific groups of ethnicity for victims?

It doesn't make good reading, where mass immigration concerned and the electorate know it.

[Trickytreesreds]

‘How can you judge anything that you don’t even watch/read?’ - followed five lines later by - ‘I stopped watching Question Time, because of their panel bias leaning.’ Classic.

Errrrm, no it isn't. It is perfectly relevent. If it is so biased, why watch it?
Here, 4 against 1 and he wasn't wrong was he in what he said, before Brexit.
But the left/ leberals couldn't have dreamed of how right 1 man was, on such a biased panel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v-3-PEWbzA&t=1035s&ab_channel=Libertymedia

[ramAnag]

Sorry RA, but is seems that what Andy was trying to point out to you earlier, you choose to ignore.
If I was to take your figures of 89% white offenders, then I can well believe it, though the figures I have seen banded about are 10 years + out of date . But if you apply the demographics of population/per crime, then it falls down.
Do the figures collate that way in London/Birmigham/Leicester/Bradford/Oldham/Rotherham? No they don't.
If you want, perhaps you'd like to apply that, to the rape figures across the whole country?

As of 2024- According to Office for National Statistics, the makeup of ethnic groups are: 87.1% White, 7.0% Asian, 3.0% Black, 2.0% Mixed and 0.9% others.

White & Black African. White & Asian. Currently, there are 8,106 male *** offenders in the prisons of England and Wales6. Of this group, 81.9% are White; 9.9% are Black/Black British; 5.6% are Asian/Asian British; and 2.2 are Other/mixed (the ethnicity of 0.4% is not recorded).

What you are avoiding is-
1. how many of these rapists/*** offenders have we imported?
2. How many targetted specific groups of ethnicity for victims?

It doesn't make good reading, where mass immigration concerned and the electorate know it.

Not ‘my’ figures, Tricky…as I made perfectly clear…and ‘your’ ONS figures for four years later are very similar.

I’m not avoiding anything, I don’t know the answers to what you’re asking…and neither do you.

Neither did I ‘choose to ignore’ Andy…my initial point was that I do ‘choose to ignore GBNews’ because, by looking at the contributors and the rationale behind it I know exactly what their agenda is.

[Geoff Parkstone]

So if you don't like the expected answer, you don't ask the question? How very regressive. That suggests you only want to hear thoughts that endorse your own. Happy to sit in your own circle of mutual admiration?

Sorry to say but that degree of narrow mindedness doesn't seem to accord with being a teacher.

[Andy_Faber]

So if you don't like the expected answer, you don't ask the question? How very regressive. That suggests you only want to hear thoughts that endorse your own. Happy to sit in your own circle of mutual admiration?

Yup, to have a balanced view you HAVE to listen to folks you don’t agree with (or even understand). Woman’s hour a great example, gives me a better perspective on things albeit some of the stuff they discuss is beyond bonkers

[ramAnag]

So if you don't like the expected answer, you don't ask the question? How very regressive. That suggests you only want to hear thoughts that endorse your own. Happy to sit in your own circle of mutual admiration?

Sorry to say but that degree of narrow mindedness doesn't seem to accord with being a teacher.

Oh not the ‘kin teacher thing again…please!

‘Narrow minded’, ‘circle of mutual admiration’…no idea how you reach those conclusions. I choose not to watch GB News or read ‘The Sun’ because I trust neither of them. Perhaps you do…that’s your choice.

I don’t read books by authors I don’t like either…or listen to music by bands I don’t enjoy. Is that so strange? Guilty as charged.

[Andy_Faber]

I don’t listen to music by bands I don’t enjoy. Is that so strange? Guilty as charged.

But that’s a false analogy, you’re analogising deciding you don’t like a band because you don’t like the look of them and then telling folk how bad they are without ever visiting their catalogue

[Geoff Parkstone]

I trust no media, but tend to absorb all points of view and then draw my own conclusions.

"I don’t read books by authors I don’t like either…or listen to music by bands I don’t enjoy."

Nor do I, necessarily, but I don't stand up on my back legs and tell people that the books I haven't read or music I haven't listened to is ****.

[ramAnag]

I trust no media, but tend to absorb all points of view and then draw my own conclusions.

"I don’t read books by authors I don’t like either…or listen to music by bands I don’t enjoy."

Nor do I, necessarily, but I don't stand up on my back legs and tell people that the books I haven't read or music I haven't listened to is ****.

Neither do I…but I find I’m able to ‘absorb all points of view and then draw my own conclusions’ without subscribing to either of the two media outlets mentioned. My choice.