Election Year or Fear!

[Trickytreesreds]

Tricky…I don’t need a lesson on the difference between race and religion and neither do I have a lot of time for SOME of the teachings of Islam…any more than I do for SOME of the teachings of the Catholic/Christian Church.

Your dislike/hatred of Islam however is rooted in racism imo and your Islamophobia is nothing more than a very specific form of something very, very difficult to distinguish from racism.

We aren’t going to agree but there were other parts of our initial debate that you seem now to be distancing yourself from.

my racism?
ok ducky, you keep apologising for it. There's a good little sheep

[Trickytreesreds]

Rotten Britain says Jonny Rotten

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H4ypLqjxas&ab_channel=GBNews

You're excused RA, its GB news. We know how your blinkers work

[ramAnag]

my racism?
ok ducky, you keep apologising for it. There's a good little sheep

I don’t know if that makes any sense at all to anyone else but it makes none at all to me.
‘Ducky’? ‘Sheep’? And where on earth am I ‘apologising’ and for what?
You’ve lost the earlier argument on ‘champagne lefties’ and now you have nowhere to go with this one.

I’m honestly not having a go at your lifestyle choices…that’s up to you…but, depending on circumstance, presumably either you or your beloved will be adopting ‘immigrant status’ in the not too distant future. I wish you well but would suggest you steer well clear of of some of those you appear to admire once that happens.

P.S. Lol…I’m afraid Jonny Rotten has always been on my list of people to ignore…both musically and in every other way.

[Andy_Faber]

Likewise, a bit, with you and your TV presenter thing. I don’t believe you to be overtly racist but I do believe that little obsession of yours to be tinged with a sort of old fashioned racism that one usually finds in people who can't/won’t think things through. I don’t think of you like that so why not talk it through? Why does it matter what colour or creed a TV presenter is?

Not ‘tinged’ at all rA, I will say again, not only because it will hopefully put Swale in a rage but because it’s relevant, that my ‘family’ relationships, and those I recall from my schooldays, give me a series of experiences and perspectives that preclude me from what you would call ‘racism’. You’ll have to believe me on that. The long running spat I appear to have with Swale is actually nothing to do with ‘race’, and originates from a single post of mine from way back in maybe 2020 when Swale was proved wrong on a matter of fact, hence his constant bleating about it. You should know better than to support him when you don’t know the facts

[ramAnag]

Not ‘tinged’ at all rA, I will say again, not only because it will hopefully put Swale in a rage but because it’s relevant, that my ‘family’ relationships, and those I recall from my schooldays, give me a series of experiences and perspectives that preclude me from what you would call ‘racism’. You’ll have to believe me on that. The long running spat I appear to have with Swale is actually nothing to do with ‘race’, and originates from a single post of mine from way back in maybe 2020 when Swale was proved wrong on a matter of fact, hence his constant bleating about it. You should know better than to support him when you don’t know the facts

Disappointing response, AF. I’m not ‘supporting’ anyone. It’s a simple response and I have no real idea of what you’re referring to.
All I know is that I’ve seen you vaguely suggest that there are a disproportionate number of non white TV presenters. Frankly you should know better than to think I am offering personal support…despite all the ‘rear gunner’ crap over the years it’s not something I do.
I support or criticise opinions, not people, none of whom I know. My ideal is that we don’t even notice that a presenter is black, white, Asian, male, female, disabled…whatever and just judge them on their ability to….present!

[SithHappens]

Indeed. Race, religion, gender, disability or no disability, and another which is age, should have no bearing. Best person for the job.

[Trickytreesreds]

I don’t know if that makes any sense at all to anyone else but it makes none at all to me.
‘Ducky’? ‘Sheep’? And where on earth am I ‘apologising’ and for what?
You’ve lost the earlier argument on ‘champagne lefties’ and now you have nowhere to go with this one.

I’m honestly not having a go at your lifestyle choices…that’s up to you…but, depending on circumstance, presumably either you or your beloved will be adopting ‘immigrant status’ in the not too distant future. I wish you well but would suggest you steer well clear of of some of those you appear to admire once that happens.

P.S. Lol…I’m afraid Jonny Rotten has always been on my list of people to ignore…both musically and in every other way.

You are an apologist.
Your defence to anything I've raised, is to sweep it under the carpet and say, "they aren't all like that"
Of course they aren't, but lets be clear about this. 80% of terror suspects in the UK under the watchful gaze of security are Muslim?
Why? Because they are radical Islam folowers. A religion that feeds their ideals to justify such action. Funny how you get called Islamophobic for raising that fact.
Does that mean it is beyond criticism? Does that mean it is to be tolerated?
THERE ARE PLANTY OF "SHEEP" , especially among the left who think so.

There were more peaceful Germans and Japanese in the 1930's when their extremists came to power. Look how that ended up.

Even the good little Islam followers have their faults.
This is a GUARDIAN poll- so even you might accept it.

50% of UK muslims think homo***uality should be illegal OF WHICH 47% said they should never be involved in education
4% sysmpathised with suicide bombers
23% want SHARIA LAW
39% their wives should always obey their husbands
31% that it was acceptable to have more than one wife

The polling was commissioned by Channel 4 for a documentary, What British Muslims Really Think, which is due to be broadcast on Wednesday presented by Phillips.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, he said: “On specific issues – families, ***uality, gender, attitudes towards Jews and on questions of violence and terrorism – the centre of gravity of British Muslim opinion is some distance away from the centre of gravity of everyone else’s opinion.

“One in six Muslims say they would like to live more separately, a quarter would like to live under sharia law. It means that as a society we have a group of people who basically do not want to participate in the way that other people [do].

“What we also found is that there is a correspondence between this desire to live separately and sympathy for terrorism. People who want to live separately are about twice as likely to say that they have sympathy for terrorist acts. Anybody, including most people in the Muslim community, would find that extremely worrying.”

Phillips said we should not be afraid of challenging Muslims on the core values of British society.

Yearh, lets just say nothing and let it grow then eh?

[Trickytreesreds]

oh and by the way, champagne socialist is very real and apt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champagne_socialist

[Andy_Faber]

I support or criticise opinions, not people!

You have to be kidding

[ramAnag]

You have to be kidding

Why would you say that? There are people I tend to agree with…MA, mac, Sith, Swale (about politics but not fullbacks or PW) most notably and there are people I disagree with…Tricky (about most things), Guntery (likewise) and DCFC whatever he was called, but overwhelmingly I’ll judge things on the basis of opinion NOT personality. I can like what I know of people - eg you and GP (at his best) but still disagree with them - it’s seldom personal.

[ramAnag]

50% of UK muslims think homo***uality should be illegal OF WHICH 47% said they should never be involved in education
4% sysmpathised with suicide bombers
39% their wives should always obey their husbands
31% that it was acceptable to have more than one wife

Sounds remarkably similar to many reactionary white males/UKIP supporters.

P.S. I hate champagne but I suppose I fit the bill being a relatively comfortably off individual with leftish leanings…something I’m sure as hell not going to apologise for.

[Geoff Parkstone]

More a lager liberal than a champagne socialist then?? Anyway you're on holiday, why are you hanging around here.....

[Andy_Faber]

Why would you say that? There are people I tend to agree with…MA, mac, Sith, Swale (about politics but not fullbacks or PW) most notably and there are people I disagree with…Tricky (about most things), Guntery (likewise) and DCFC whatever he was called, but overwhelmingly I’ll judge things on the basis of opinion NOT personality. I can like what I know of people - eg you and GP (at his best) but still disagree with them - it’s seldom personal.

I meant politicians not forum members

[ramAnag]

More a lager liberal than a champagne socialist then?? Anyway you're on holiday, why are you hanging around here.....

Neither. I can multi task and I was seeking sanctuary from the wind yesterday.

[Andy_Faber]

Neither. I can multi task and I was seeking sanctuary from the wind yesterday.

Where are you if you don’t mind sharing?