Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

Swale, you’re such a twit, stop being triggered and draw breath before you send a response. There are no stats for ‘despicable’ and ‘deviant’ members of the population, but let’s assume the long arm of the law imprison them regardless of age. The prison population currently contains 86,000 souls, of which 80,000 are under 60 and 6,000 are 60 or over. The sad thing is, someone browsing this forum who doesn’t know your reputation might actually believe the tosh you write. If you were one of rA’s pupils you’d have got detention for this one

Oh dear, rather naïve of you to assume that all such people who are of dubious character, are identified as such and if identified are imprisoned! I mean fair does, you've missed the point and avoided the question whilst picking holes in the statement, but the basic point still holds, that age is no judge of a persons character and proportionally I doubt over 60's are of better character than those under. No doubt you will be able to pull out some stat which shows this not to be the case.

I rather think that a person of average intelligence would read my post and agree that my point about why would one automatically respect a person due to their age is a valid one and probably not think in much detail about the numbers.

Anyway I believe you were going to explain why respecting one elders was a "British value"? (Ironically I'd say it was a weak one, as other cultures venerate and respect the older generation much more than the British ever have!

[swaledale]

[QUOTE=Andy_Faber;40513607]That’s just another massive ramble in response to a post outing one of your more far fetched ideas, be better to list all the countries that have adopted your idea[/QUOTE

Oh dear do you live in a parallel universe? Firstly its not one of my outlandish ideas (I mean thanks for the credit, but I can't accept it!) and secondly GP's post didn't out the idea, it dismissed it on the basis GP has neither the intelligence or imagination to think that there are different ways of doing things. I mean he referred to China and the USSR and completely ignored the facts, but I accept subtle matters are probably too difficult for him to understand, stick with what you know, that's my man!

I could of course list the country that's done a wide ranging pilot, but you know I do feel that for the ignorant and those who choose not to be enlightened, self discovery is a wonderful thing.

I do wonder exactly what all those nice skilled middle class people will be doing when in a few decades time AI has removed all the jobs they have currently been used to doing?

[swaledale]

Horse****. You are a DCFC fan. Lots of other people are DCFC fans. That doesn't make you any less of a DCFC fan...

Not uniquely British Values I accept, others may share some or all of them, but nonetheless they are "our" - excepting you - values.

So therefore misleading to call them "British values" as if they are unique to Britain?

[Geoff Parkstone]

Don't blame me for calling them British Values. I merely cite the education sector and national curriculum who state these to be Fundamental British Values and require them to be taught in schools. Did rA refuse to teach the FBV bit of the national curriculum??

[Trickytreesreds]

Sorry Tricky, I’m engrossed in the cricket so not giving this my full attention, but doesn’t ‘Ordnung muss sein’ pretty much equate to respect for law and order and are you suggesting that fulfilling promises, hard work and honesty and punctuality aren’t amongst things that are valued in Britain? I’d have thought they most certainly were.

Not greatly surprised by the BBC debate stuff. Tbh I feared Rayner would do worse but as I initially suggested, Mordaunt was the serious loser.
Objectively, even though I detest him, this was Farage’s strength. He’s good at this stuff, especially where the gullible and easily impressed are concerned. It’s when he has to come up with anything constructive that everything comes tumbling down…one word…Brexit!
I guess the majority of the country are relatively disinterested in the Scots and the Welsh but personally I thought Daisy Cooper did better than those figures would suggest. Apparently not.

Hello RA,I think the Germans (especially from my experiance) are the masters of law/order/ obediance/compliance
In industry especially they apply all these like a well oiled machine. It differs for me from the Brits, in that we do like functionality with much more flexibility in the interpretation. Their approach, is much more millitaristic.

Rayner for me, showed everything Starmer lacks. Character/strength/ decisiveness. She will oust Starmer in the near future, watch this space.

You can cling to the Brexit claim all you want. Had Farage been delivering Brexit, you definitely wouldn't have seen the weak backed mish mash, we currently have. Even as bad as it was delivered, the UK still outperforms most of Europe.

[Trickytreesreds]

Anyway I believe you were going to explain why respecting one elders was a "British value"? (Ironically I'd say it was a weak one, as other cultures venerate and respect the older generation much more than the British ever have!

I dp agree on this point.

I was amazed in Germamy. to see houses labelled (eg, family Brown) with generations living in one big house. Moving down a level as they progressed in years.

The Thais as well revear their elders and they have the last say in the house hold

[ramAnag]

Don't blame me for calling them British Values. I merely cite the education sector and national curriculum who state these to be Fundamental British Values and require them to be taught in schools. Did rA refuse to teach the FBV bit of the national curriculum??

It wasn’t introduced until 2014 by which time I was doing other things.
I do remember Thatcher trying to tell us what we could and couldn’t say about homos*xuality, during the late ‘80’s I think. I had to deliver a s*x education programme to Y10/11’s at the time and took no notice whatsoever…certainly didn’t advocate it…but answered questions honestly and, I hope, with compassion.

[Trickytreesreds]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvkm48r70-Q

[Andy_Faber]

It wasn’t introduced until 2014 by which time I was doing other things.

So we now accept that you were ill-informed rather than just being argumentative for the sake of it.

But, that means you were either wrong, or HMG, your own profession, and all the other organisations of all persuasions who've adopted HMG's line are wrong.

If you want to challenge HMG on this, the number is 03700002288

[ramAnag]

So we now accept that you were ill-informed rather than just being argumentative for the sake of it.

But, that means you were either wrong, or HMG, your own profession, and all the other organisations of all persuasions who've adopted HMG's line are wrong.

If you want to challenge HMG on this, the number is 03700002288

I have no idea what that even means.
GP asked if I ‘refused to teach the ‘FBV bit of the National Curriculum’. I answered that it wasn’t introduced until 2014 by which time I was no longer involved in teaching.
What is your point and how am I ‘ill-informed’?

[ramAnag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvkm48r70-Q

I did notice and take your point Tricky, however it’s a bit far fetched to say it’s the BBC ‘out to get Farage’ imo…I mean have you watched ‘Have I Got News For You’ this week. Very funny but they gave Starmer a particularly hard time over his repetitive ‘my father was a toolmaker’ line which culminated in Paul Merton saying ‘yeah well…he made you didn’t he!’. Was that the BBC ‘out to get Starmer’? No…it was just funny.

More seriously, on the subject of Farage, there’s a saying that ‘you can judge a man by the company he keeps’. Maybe you, and anyone else on here who’s interested, should Google the name George Cottrell - aka ‘Posh George’. Makes for interesting and disturbing reading.
Birds of a feather and all that.

[swaledale]

You'd have to be very thick to think the BBC are "out to get" Farage" All the evidence suggests they enabled him given his multiple appearances and media profile far in excess for someone who has never actually been elected other than to the EU.

Just as you'd have to be even thicker to think a privately educated block who was a commodities trader and used to bank at an exclusive bank Coutts and leads a political party which is a private company funded by billionaires has a clue or even cares about the ordinary bloke in the street!

Ad that's before you consider that he has absolutely no policies or solutions, just quick slogans aimed at the politically illiterate who it seems will swallow any old *******s without stopping to think how what is said would or even could improve their lives!

Its patently true that even today snake oil salesmen still have their customers!

[Andy_Faber]

Its patently true that even today snake oil salesmen still have their customers!

Indeed. 17,410,742 of them

Maybe Auntie should have installed a head shaking stooge in various audiences in 2016, it would certainly have eased your demeanour in the mean time

[MadAmster]

British values? I do miss them a little. Similar ones thrive over here. I hold doors open for others, regardless of their age. Those who don't intimate thanks by word or a nod of the head etc do get thanked by me and it always genders the required response. When using public transport in Amsterdam. I get offered a seat, mainly by late te-en to mid 20s young ladies. I decline, gracefully. I also offer my seat up to elderly folk, less mobile than myself and to pregnant women.

It's that sort of thing, the p's and q's, looking out for more than number 1, basically being a nice, kind and considerate person. One might even describe it as being social.

[Geoff Parkstone]

You'd have to be very thick to think the BBC are "out to get" Farage" All the evidence suggests they enabled him given his multiple appearances and media profile far in excess for someone who has never actually been elected other than to the EU.

Just as you'd have to be even thicker to think a privately educated block who was a commodities trader and used to bank at an exclusive bank Coutts and leads a political party which is a private company funded by billionaires has a clue or even cares about the ordinary bloke in the street!

Ad that's before you consider that he has absolutely no policies or solutions, just quick slogans aimed at the politically illiterate who it seems will swallow any old *******s without stopping to think how what is said would or even could improve their lives!

Its patently true that even today snake oil salesmen still have their customers!

"Just as you'd have to be even thicker to think a privately educated block who was a commodities trader..."

Whereas a privately educated block who was a barrister clearly does care?