Election Year or Fear!

[ramAnag]

Yes or no?

To suit your agenda. If I was answering anything based on my moral standards, then it would be no.
But please tell me who in your camp, doesn't have a dodgy mate?
They are politicians and your dislike of Trump will always force your standards as a weapon.

I could do the same thing with Labour- Corbyn when in charge being the terrorists best mate. Abbott( back on the scene ) with Lammy and their anti white racist rants. Dawn Butler and her racism, the list goes on. The anti Jewish platform offends me greatly and to say we "will " recognise Palestine as a state, when there is no justification or mention of it in their manifesto, makes me sick. but apologists and votes don't go far apart do they.

So will you still vote Labour when the above goes on?
Yearh we know the answer to that one,.

I will vote for whoever puts this nation first, not the global elite and their manifesto. Starmer has made it clear, his loyaty is to DAVOS not the UK

Thank you. At last!

So even at this early stage of his reincarnated domestic political career you’re conceding that your beloved ‘Sir’ Nigel, according to your ‘moral standards’, has involvements with at least two convicted criminals and an outspoken admiration for a proven misogynist who awaits trial for rape, s@xual assault and people trafficking, which make him unfit/unsuitable for office?

That’s not ‘suiting my agenda’. It’s the point you’ve conceded…and the Jews, Corbyn, Abbott, Butler, Palestine, Lammy, global elite rant is just you introducing yet more political smokescreens.

[swaledale]

DURING THIS ELECTION, the main parties are refusing to discuss the elephant in the room, in case it loses them some votes. But discussed it must be.

A new report from the Centre for Policy Studies, written by former Immigration Minister Robert Jenrick MP, former minister Neil O’Brien MP, and CPS Research Director Karl Williams argues that the scale and composition of recent migration have failed to deliver the significant economic and fiscal benefits its advocates promised, while putting enormous pressure on housing, public services and infrastructure.

The analysis argues:

Large-scale migration has not delivered significant growth in GDP per capita, and has increased the strain on our capital stock, from roads and GP surgeries to housing
Net migration accounts for around 89% of the 1.34 million increase in England’s housing deficit (the amount of homes we have underbuilt by) in the last 10 years
Pressure has been added to rental markets, as well as affecting home ownership. For example, 67% of private rented households in London are headed by someone born overseas, as were 33% of new social housing lets in Brent in 2022/23
Between 2001 and 2021, the share of people in England and Wales born outside the UK increased from 9% to 17%, but this rate of change is set to accelerate
On the current trajectory, net migration will amount to annual population growth of over 0.6% across the 2020s – double the rate of the last three decades, and six times the rate of the 1990s
Migrants from the Middle East, North Africa and Turkey aged 25-64 are almost twice as likely to be economically inactive as someone born in the UK
Earnings, and therefore tax contributions, also vary enormously, for example Spanish migrants typically earn around 40% more than migrants from Pakistan or Bangladesh, but roughly 35% less than migrants from France or America. Migrants from countries such as Canada, Singapore and Australia pay between four and nine times as much income tax as migrants from Somalia or Pakistan
The full report includes over thirty recommendations, the vast majority of which can be implemented within the remainder of this parliament. Recommendations include:

Abolishing the Graduate route, instead giving foreign students who want to stay in the UK should need to find graduate-level jobs that meet the salary threshold within six months of the end of their studies
Substantially revising the International Education Strategy (IES), ending the arbitrary 600,000 a year target for the number on international students
Accepting the Migration Advisory Committee’s recommendation to retire the Shortage Occupation List (SOL) altogether, rather than just creating a new, opaque Immigration Salary List (ISL)
Setting the salary threshold for health & care visas above the National Living Wage, while raising the minimum hourly wage in the care sector by 20-40p to boost domestic recruitment
Creating time-limited exceptions to visa limits for NHS workers, until the NHS Long Term Workforce Plan ramps up
Imposing an immediate cap on health & care visas at c.30,000, roughly the level seen in 2021
Indexing salary thresholds for visa routes in line with inflation, to prevent automatic liberalisation
A Whitehall-wide examination of data recording and transparency to allow comprehensive analysis of the impact of migration on everything from housing and public spending to crime and productivity, led by the Migration Advisory Committee
Splitting up the Home Office to create a new Department of Border Security and Immigration Control, with the rest of the department forming a Department for Policing and National Security
As reported on Sunday 28 April, the report also calls for:

Reaffirming a national commitment to return net migration to the historical norm of the tens of thousands
Instituting an annual cap on each individual visa route, voted on by Parliament as part of a ‘Migration Budget’
The preparation of a ‘Migration Book’, akin to the Treasury’s Red Book, which should pull together data from across all relevant departments, looking at the demographic and fiscal footprint of migration forecasts, as well as the net impact on housing, infrastructure and access to public services

Wow that intellectual giant Jenrick, just about intelligent enough to tie his own shoe laces! I have to hand it to you though, its has a wee bit more rigour than your usual sources.

However actual research written by independent people who have no skin in the game draw a different conclusion.

The same sort of rigorous research which demonstrates that Brexit has been an epic fail and an economic disaster for the UK, and no its not because it wasn't done properly as the Brexit cultists like yourself claim!

Anyway, enough of debating with a child, my last word to you is, a cursory read of your posts on forest mad show you to be a nasty viscious *******. A cursory reading of your posts on here, demonstrate you to be also a xenophobic, bigot with the brains of a pea.

Its not about you having a different opinion, you don't actually have an opinion , its a dumb set of beliefs formed from believing the **** that Farage and his pals on bizarre internet forums spew out to be absorbed by easily influenced people like you.

I know there are millions like you, its unfortunate, but if you even think that the rise of the far right is a good thing, then you have forgotten history, but then no doubt were we in the 1930's you would be cheering on the Black Shirts and opining that Hitler had "some good ideas".

Fortunately, the majority of voters aren't quite as dumb, nasty or pig thick like you. Now **** off an stick your nose up some far right asshole!!

Toodle Pip!

[Trickytreesreds]

Thank you. At last!

So even at this early stage of his reincarnated domestic political career you’re conceding that your beloved ‘Sir’ Nigel, according to your ‘moral standards’, has involvements with at least two convicted criminals and an outspoken admiration for a proven misogynist who awaits trial for rape, s@xual assault and people trafficking, which make him unfit/unsuitable for office?

That’s not ‘suiting my agenda’. It’s the point you’ve conceded…and the Jews, Corbyn, Abbott, Butler, Palestine, Lammy, global elite rant is just you introducing yet more political smokescreens.

So will you still vote for Starmer knowing he has broken the MP's code of conduct 8 times?

[Trickytreesreds]

Wow that intellectual giant Jenrick, just about intelligent enough to tie his own shoe laces! I have to hand it to you though, its has a wee bit more rigour than your usual sources.

However actual research written by independent people who have no skin in the game draw a different conclusion.

The same sort of rigorous research which demonstrates that Brexit has been an epic fail and an economic disaster for the UK, and no its not because it wasn't done properly as the Brexit cultists like yourself claim!

Anyway, enough of debating with a child, my last word to you is, a cursory read of your posts on forest mad show you to be a nasty viscious *******. A cursory reading of your posts on here, demonstrate you to be also a xenophobic, bigot with the brains of a pea.

Its not about you having a different opinion, you don't actually have an opinion , its a dumb set of beliefs formed from believing the **** that Farage and his pals on bizarre internet forums spew out to be absorbed by easily influenced people like you.

I know there are millions like you, its unfortunate, but if you even think that the rise of the far right is a good thing, then you have forgotten history, but then no doubt were we in the 1930's you would be cheering on the Black Shirts and opining that Hitler had "some good ideas".

Fortunately, the majority of voters aren't quite as dumb, nasty or pig thick like you. Now **** off an stick your nose up some far right asshole!!

Toodle Pip!

, I rest my case m'lud

[ramAnag]

So will you still vote for Starmer knowing he has broken the MP's code of conduct 8 times?

Jeez you’re desperate. Hardly comparable and all properly investigated and described as ‘minor, inadvertent with no attempt to mislead’.

I’d steer clear of the ‘politicians committing wrongdoing’ route if I were you. At the risk of entering ‘my dad’s bigger than your dad’ territory…the list I can produce, just since 2019, is a great deal bigger than anything you might try and dredge up…and ‘yes’, I, almost certainly, will…unless something unlikely happens meaning that voting for the Lib Dems will provide a greater likelihood of ridding ourselves of Sarah Dines.

[Trickytreesreds]

Jeez you’re desperate. Hardly comparable and all properly investigated and described as ‘minor, inadvertent with no attempt to mislead’.

I’d steer clear of the ‘politicians committing wrongdoing’ route if I were you. At the risk of entering ‘my dad’s bigger than your dad’ territory…the list I can produce, just since 2019, is a great deal bigger than anything you might try and dredge up…and ‘yes’, I, almost certainly, will…unless something unlikely happens meaning that voting for the Lib Dems will provide a greater likelihood of ridding ourselves of Sarah Dines.

lol, total body swerve.
Lets play the moral high ground and I'm holier than you, yet when one on the same plain comes back you get ratty.
The point being sunshine, all politicians have skeletons and misdemeanors bouncing about.
I don't give a flying about what Trumps said/done. I do care about what happens here. If Farage or anyone, wants to be his mate, then thats up to them.
You mention the Libs, after the PO scandal, I couldn't look Davey in the eye, without wanting to break his jaw. That man has blood on his hands in his cowardice, not to damage his "career"

[ramAnag]

lol, total body swerve.
Lets play the moral high ground and I'm holier than you, yet when one on the same plain comes back you get ratty.
The point being sunshine, all politicians have skeletons and misdemeanors bouncing about.
I don't give a flying about what Trumps said/done. I do care about what happens here. If Farage or anyone, wants to be his mate, then thats up to them.
You mention the Libs, after the PO scandal, I couldn't look Davey in the eye, without wanting to break his jaw. That man has blood on his hands in his cowardice, not to damage his "career"

Body swerve? Play the moral high ground? Ratty? I don’t think so. Just answered your queries.
More from the Tricky school of deflection? Very much so.
Anyway I made my point a while ago, when you accepted that Farage’s contacts already brought his suitability for office into question.
That’ll do me for today.

[Trickytreesreds]

oooooooooooooh, this ones gonna hurt https://yougov.co.uk/ratings/politic...al-figures/all


NB, Reform know they aren't heading for office. But the ball rolling downhill, is picking up speed.
Considering Labour are not winning this election, they have been handed it on a silver platter. Then hold on to your flat cap.

Would I rather see Farage leading this country in front of Starmer. Bet your granny I would. At least he has a spine and a personality

[SithHappens]

Farage defending the Russian invasion of Ukraine, what an horrific human he is.

[Trickytreesreds]

Farage defending the Russian invasion of Ukraine, what an horrific human he is.

If you are going to slate him, at least have the decency to quote all of what he said.............
The Reform UK leader said that the “ever-eastward expansion of Nato and the European Union” gave Vladimir Putin a reason to justify war.

The comments in a BBC Panorama interview with Nick Robinson echo arguments made by Donald Trump, the former US president and friend of Mr Farage.

Mr Farage was asked why he had “blamed the West” for Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

He said: “Right, I’ll tell you what you don’t know, I stood up in the European Parliament in 2014 and I said, and I quote, ‘there will be a war in Ukraine’.

“Why did I say that? It was obvious to me that the ever-eastward expansion of Nato and the European Union was giving this man a reason to his Russian people to say, ‘they’re coming for us again’ and to go to war.”
Pressed on whether his rhetoric was echoing that of the Russian president, Mr Farage said: “But, hang on a second, we provoked this war. It’s – you know, of course it’s his fault, he’s used what we’ve done as an excuse.”

Asked if he was saying the West “provoked the invasion of Ukraine”, Mr Farage responded: “Yes.”

He added: “By the way, I’m the only person in British politics that predicted what would happen, and of course everyone said I was a pariah for daring to suggest it.

[ramAnag]

Tricky…the Russian annexation of Crimea began in February 2014 and marked the beginning of conflict between Russia and Ukraine, so Farage’s alleged 2014 prediction is hardly the example of political/diplomat foresight you and he claim it to be is it?

[ramAnag]

Would I rather see Farage leading this country in front of Starmer. Bet your granny I would. At least he has a spine and a personality

Which is odd…seeing as yesterday, only a few hours earlier, you’d accepted that - according to your ‘morals standards’ - Farage’s links with criminals and a serial misogynist accused of human trafficking brought into question his suitability as a candidate.

[Andy_Faber]

Which is odd…seeing as yesterday, only a few hours earlier, you’d accepted that - according to your ‘morals standards’ - Farage’s links with criminals and a serial misogynist accused of human trafficking brought into question his suitability as a candidate.

There are no clean hands rA. Starmer doesn’t appear to know what a woman is, or is scared to offer a straight answer to the question, which is a moral crime in itself.

[Andy_Faber]

Tricky…the Russian annexation of Crimea began in February 2014 and marked the beginning of conflict between Russia and Ukraine, so Farage’s alleged 2014 prediction is hardly the example of political/diplomat foresight you and he claim it to be is it?

Yet western leaders were in denial about it even as the Ruskies were topping up their tanks with diesel ready for the invasion. Maybe they should have listened to that one piece of foresight, after all he called Brexit right as well

[ramAnag]

There are no clean hands rA. Starmer doesn’t appear to know what a woman is, or is scared to offer a straight answer to the question, which is a moral crime in itself.

I’m sorry Andy…I’m not sure what you’re talking about as I remain a little ‘out of the loop’ for the next few days.
Has KS got himself in a muddle over gender identity again? I wouldn’t be surprised. It’s a complex issue and not really an electoral one imo.
Doesn’t really fit the ‘no clean hands’ description though…again imo.
Being confused over gender identity these days is all too common. I know I am, but it isn’t necessarily malicious and bears no comparison with alleged rape, s@xual assault and trafficking.

P.S. Just seen your other comment. ‘Called Brexit right too’ did he? So he described it as the ‘sh1t show’ it’s turned out to be did he? I think not.