Election Year or Fear!

[MadAmster]

So, TTR quotes the Jenrick think tank and its thoughts. Here's what the IFS has to say about immigrants. They pay, on average 10% more in taxes etc than they receive in benefits. For the indigenous (white Caucasian) population it's 5% more.

Drain on public finances? Not according to the IFS facts. FACT

[Andy_Faber]

I’m sorry Andy…I’m not sure what you’re talking about as I remain a little ‘out of the loop’ for the next few days.
Has KS got himself in a muddle over gender identity again? I wouldn’t be surprised. It’s a complex issue and not really an electoral one imo.
Doesn’t really fit the ‘no clean hands’ description though…again imo.
Being confused over gender identity these days is all too common. I know I am, but it isn’t necessarily malicious and bears no comparison with alleged rape, s@xual assault and trafficking.

P.S. Just seen your other comment. ‘Called Brexit right too’ did he? So he described it as the ‘sh1t show’ it’s turned out to be did he? I think not.

I know it’s not worth arguing with you but predicting the outcome of an event (the Brexit vote) and being able to impact the outcome of that event are two different things. As ever I make this point as someone without allegiance or prejudice, which you struggle with

[Andy_Faber]

So, TTR quotes the Jenrick think tank and its thoughts. Here's what the IFS has to say about immigrants. They pay, on average 10% more in taxes etc than they receive in benefits. For the indigenous (white Caucasian) population it's 5% more.

Drain on public finances? Not according to the IFS facts. FACT

Yet I can quote ‘a recent study’ where it was calculated that first generation immigrants with two dependants need to earn £90kpa to be met positive to ukplc which over 90% (of people) never achieve.(also fact). Seriously There’s so much data knocking around that it’s easy to substantiate ANY position on this that you, I or anyone want to take

[ramAnag]

I know it’s not worth arguing with you but predicting the outcome of an event (the Brexit vote) and being able to impact the outcome of that event are two different things. As ever I make this point as someone without allegiance or prejudice, which you struggle with

Bit harsh. I’m sorry you feel like that.

Not sure you’re someone ‘without allegiance or prejudice’. You could only be that if you have no views or feelings about the aims, promises and manifestation of Brexit. Not sure any thinking UK citizen can claim that.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Agree with that 100% Andy (gets his gun out) but you have to realize that, in general, only Swales data is correct any any data that contradicts this is right wing bunkum.

[ramAnag]

Agree with that 100% Andy (gets his gun out) but you have to realize that, in general, only Swales data is correct any any data that contradicts this is right wing bunkum.

…and I wouldn’t disagree with Andy’s final sentence either…lies, damned lies and statistics etc. Not a clue what the ‘Swales’ data’ reference is about though.

[Geoff Parkstone]

…and I wouldn’t disagree with Andy’s final sentence either…lies, damned lies and statistics etc. Not a clue what the ‘Swales’ data’ reference is about though.

Have you not noticed that trend?? When Swale speaks, his data is always absolute truth, and when anyone else presents data it's always wrong/questionable at best or merely the outpourings of right wing media. Or maybe you too believe it implicitly?

Me, I take it all with a healthy pinch of saly

[ramAnag]

I suppose all those who present data on here believe what they have chosen to display helps strengthen their case and Swale is no exception to that. I was just puzzled by your reference at a time when he hasn’t been around.
I’m inclined to agree with you, although I always look at the source as a sign of credibility and in this particular case I’d be more inclined to trust the IFS than any Robert Jenrick ‘Think Tank’…which seems like a bit of a paradox.

[Trickytreesreds]

Tricky…the Russian annexation of Crimea began in February 2014 and marked the beginning of conflict between Russia and Ukraine, so Farage’s alleged 2014 prediction is hardly the example of political/diplomat foresight you and he claim it to be is it?

In the EU parliament, Farage lambasted the EU arrogance of east european expansion. Perhaps you have forgotten the Reagan / Gorbachev agreements on encroachment?
Try listening to the whole speech before scoffing and shove your personal bias to one side. What he said was spot on.
He isn't defending Putin, but pointed out that the West did its part in this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uNsXEu8ljM

[Trickytreesreds]

Which is odd…seeing as yesterday, only a few hours earlier, you’d accepted that - according to your ‘morals standards’ - Farage’s links with criminals and a serial misogynist accused of human trafficking brought into question his suitability as a candidate.

Whats on the table, give me Farage any day of the weak. We would have a spine again.

[Trickytreesreds]

I’m sorry Andy…I’m not sure what you’re talking about as I remain a little ‘out of the loop’ for the next few days.
Has KS got himself in a muddle over gender identity again? I wouldn’t be surprised. It’s a complex issue and not really an electoral one imo.
Doesn’t really fit the ‘no clean hands’ description though…again imo.
Being confused over gender identity these days is all too common. I know I am, but it isn’t necessarily malicious and bears no comparison with alleged rape, s@xual assault and trafficking.

P.S. Just seen your other comment. ‘Called Brexit right too’ did he? So he described it as the ‘sh1t show’ it’s turned out to be did he? I think not.

thats just laughable.

He called Brexit right in that, the mood of the electorate said we are not happy with the EU
Seeing as he stood down Brexit candidates, after Johnson promised to complete Brexit isn;t down to him, for the Tories failing to see the whole job through.
Had they allowed him to have input, you certainly wouldn't have seen us watering down stuff, to pacify the europhiles.

[Trickytreesreds]

Here's another one for you RA, perhaps you'd like to refresh you memory with his joust with Clegg?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBqY7U6m5JE

[Trickytreesreds]

So, TTR quotes the Jenrick think tank and its thoughts. Here's what the IFS has to say about immigrants. They pay, on average 10% more in taxes etc than they receive in benefits. For the indigenous (white Caucasian) population it's 5% more.

Drain on public finances? Not according to the IFS facts. FACT

absolute bull****. Out of all the immigrants coming in, only 300 000 were actually work visas, the rest made up a mish mash of students/ dependents/ asylum. It is why GDP per capita has fallen through the floor.

https://obr.uk/box/net-migration-forecast-and-its-impact-on-the-economy/

[ramAnag]

In the EU parliament, Farage lambasted the EU arrogance of east european expansion. Perhaps you have forgotten the Reagan / Gorbachev agreements on encroachment?
Try listening to the whole speech before scoffing and shove your personal bias to one side. What he said was spot on.
He isn't defending Putin, but pointed out that the West did its part in this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uNsXEu8ljM

Do you ever read what you are replying to? Both you and the ‘man’ himself held Farage up as someone with great political insight and wisdom because in 2014 it is suggested that he was the first person to predict war in Ukraine. I’m just reminding you that, seeing as the opening shots were fired - over Crimea - in February of that year it wasn’t enormously difficult. N stands for Nigel, not Nostradamus.

[ramAnag]

thats just laughable.

He called Brexit right in that, the mood of the electorate said we are not happy with the EU
Seeing as he stood down Brexit candidates, after Johnson promised to complete Brexit isn;t down to him, for the Tories failing to see the whole job through.
Had they allowed him to have input, you certainly wouldn't have seen us watering down stuff, to pacify the europhiles.

Lots of people, me included, weren’t happy with ALL aspects of the EU.
But you don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. If he’d identified faults and fought to correct them I’d have had more time for him.
Being purely destructive is easy…it’s winning the argument to create something better and then applying it that’s hard and imo he has never ever done that.
He promised something better…I didn’t believe him and I’m not one for all the data, but most of it suggests that even many of those committed to Leave in 2016 are now regretting their decision. Eight (or five if you prefer) years on the ‘proof is in the pudding’ for all to see.

Anyway…not going through all this one again. We’ll soon know what the immediate future holds for our country and your ‘Sir Nytol’.