Election Year or Fear!

[MadAmster]

I think you’re missing TTR/garages point, the average here is massively skewed by immigrants we DO want. The IFS themselves confirm that it’s skewed by high earners, and that the profile excluding (im estimating) top top 5% that you think should be taxed more anyway means most take years to be net contributors, many (it’s inflammatory to say most) never get there. However I’m guessing the high earners exclude the Albanians who now control the UK’s cocaine trade though, so that’s something. Phew!

Get Starmer in and with his expert "toolkit" on smashing gangs, he's got more chance of getting at them than Sunak, IMO. Same goes for the people smugglers.

IMO, there are some "pan European" agreements that the UK really should rejoin. There's the immigration group for one, I forget its name. If BoJo hadn't taken us out of that one we'd have far less of an issue with "boat people" than we currently have. Then there's the police cooperation unit which we also left, another BoJo error. There are probably other areas where pan European cooperation would aid both the EU and the UK. None of which would involve the UK requiring EU membership or rejoining the Customs Union or requiring Freedom of Movement. The question is, will both sides be sensible enough to see the mutual benefit and reinstate those agreements that were erroneously dumped?

[swaledale]

The whole small boats issue is overblown, even at its highest, its less than 50,000, compared with 685,000 legal migration. It could be resolved through the provision of a legal route and fast effective processing of asylum claims.

I mean its good job we had Brexit when net migration was 50% lower! Mainly because those that came in worked, then returned home and as the economic conditions improved in their home countries even many who had settled returned. There was a constant flow of European and Uk people to and from Europe. But the narrow minded Brits, most of whom would rather claim benefits than move even 50 miles to get a job took umbrage and so we had Brexit.

Well given that Farage has talked about net zero migration, then admitted that immigrants would be allowed in to do essential jobs and skilled work ( though apparently at a higher NI contribution) thats not going to be much different to now under the Tories scheme.

OK so there's a myth put around that actually if we trained the existing workforce there wouldn't be a need for immigration, which kind of implies that its not just low paid jobs, but never mind.

Given that unemployment is at 4%, and that 4% is generally seen as full employment, where are all these people that can apparently do these jobs going to be found?

Anyway obviously those that think the media does not reflect the world they live in, due to there being an overrepresentation of ethnic minorities on TV news etc. Aren't happy with high earning immigrants either, or more likely the children of immigrants. I mean people coming over here, getting educated and getting good jobs and paying tax, its not on I tell you!!

How in a place thats 95% white british, the pressure on housing schools, the NHS and other services can be down to immigration is a peculiar logic that escapes me.

But nobody seems to have twigged that in the last 14 years this and previous Tory governments have slashed funding for all services whilst the population increases.

IF the population growth had been due to resident birth rate, then this scape goating of immigrants wouldn't hold water.

Your pint is spot on MA, the Uk takes in a smaller proportion of Asylum seekers than any other country and pre Brexit we had effective returns agreements, which this Government didn't continue due to its stupid ideological refusal to work with the EU!

[Andy_Faber]

a place thats 95% white british

Naughty naughty, making stuff up again!

[MadAmster]

Watched a rerun of the Red v Blue "debate". They seemed to agree on a fair few things but worded it differently so as to appear "different".

Both had something to say on decency and respect etc but only one of them demonstrated it, and that wasn't Sunak. Starmer, generally, kept schtum when Rishi was speaking. Rishi, on the other hand, blathered on and on when Sir K was talking.

Sunak seems to love the word "surrender" and Starmer informed the world that "his Dad was a toolmaker".

Sunak also came over as somewhat of a bully, Starmer said, several times, that it's time politicians went back to service. Serving the populace.

Sunak couldn't counter that only a few hundred immigrants would be sent to Rwanda, at great cost, under the current deal.

Starmer intends to beat the trafficking gangs by international cooperation, something he did with terrorists. To me a better option than Sunak's Rwanda non-solution that is very costly when it's only going to solve maybe 400 cases out of the 50,000 illegal immigrants since Sunak took office.

Neither will be getting my vote for the reasons outlined in a previous post on this forum.

I'm still looking forward to several visits to the UK each year in the future but, as I've said before, I won't be coming back to live.

[Trickytreesreds]

Get Starmer in and with his expert "toolkit" on smashing gangs, he's got more chance of getting at them than Sunak, IMO. Same goes for the people smugglers.

IMO, there are some "pan European" agreements that the UK really should rejoin. There's the immigration group for one, I forget its name. If BoJo hadn't taken us out of that one we'd have far less of an issue with "boat people" than we currently have. Then there's the police cooperation unit which we also left, another BoJo error. There are probably other areas where pan European cooperation would aid both the EU and the UK. None of which would involve the UK requiring EU membership or rejoining the Customs Union or requiring Freedom of Movement. The question is, will both sides be sensible enough to see the mutual benefit and reinstate those agreements that were erroneously dumped?

propaganda.
Has Starmer, or Europe stopped the drug trade?
Has Europe stopped the gamgs exporting them into Europe?

No it bloody hasn't. Only way is to cut out the market. If there was no drug users, or party packages for immigrants there would be no business model.
You're living in dream land maddy, if you think suits signing fancy agreements solves anything.

All I'll say to you is Poland. Deployed the army, tossed back any that made it miles inland. It stopped, dead. Though I didn't go and take loads of pictures for you, to prove it.

[Trickytreesreds]

Watched a rerun of the Red v Blue "debate". They seemed to agree on a fair few things but worded it differently so as to appear "different".

Both had something to say on decency and respect etc but only one of them demonstrated it, and that wasn't Sunak. Starmer, generally, kept schtum when Rishi was speaking. Rishi, on the other hand, blathered on and on when Sir K was talking.

Sunak seems to love the word "surrender" and Starmer informed the world that "his Dad was a toolmaker".

Sunak also came over as somewhat of a bully, Starmer said, several times, that it's time politicians went back to service. Serving the populace.

Sunak couldn't counter that only a few hundred immigrants would be sent to Rwanda, at great cost, under the current deal.

Starmer intends to beat the trafficking gangs by international cooperation, something he did with terrorists. To me a better option than Sunak's Rwanda non-solution that is very costly when it's only going to solve maybe 400 cases out of the 50,000 illegal immigrants since Sunak took office.

Neither will be getting my vote for the reasons outlined in a previous post on this forum.

I'm still looking forward to several visits to the UK each year in the future but, as I've said before, I won't be coming back to live.

Both were awful and pathetic. As the audience huy said, "are you two really the best we've got?"

This is as bad as the USA. Folks voting for the walking corpse that is Biden, rather than Trump. Though they are regretting that now.
Think you are being way to kind to Starmer. He was a scared rabbit in headlights and let a weasel man who hold no cards bully him into submission.
God help us when he's got to negotiate with the EU/ Chinese/Yanks etc.

Never mind, the ginger growler has said, EVERY area is getting its load of immigrants now. So even sleepy rural Derbyshire, can join the party.

[Andy_Faber]

Both were awful and pathetic. As the audience huy said, "are you two really the best we've got?"

This is as bad as the USA. Folks voting for the walking corpse that is Biden, rather than Trump. Though they are regretting that now.
Think you are being way to kind to Starmer. He was a scared rabbit in headlights and let a weasel man who hold no cards bully him into submission.
God help us when he's got to negotiate with the EU/ Chinese/Yanks etc.

Never mind, the ginger growler has said, EVERY area is getting its load of immigrants now. So even sleepy rural Derbyshire, can join the party.

You’ve lost me with The Ginger Growler

[SithHappens]

Lovely bloke

https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1806376513589150059

Thing is there will be people who agree with him which makes it all the more depressing

[Trickytreesreds]

Lovely bloke

https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1806376513589150059

Thing is there will be people who agree with him which makes it all the more depressing

I would agree and REFORM are appalled.

However, be careful with this one. If this turns out to be true, then the lid on UK media is about to be blown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXfsgy7jxRw

[Trickytreesreds]

You’ve lost me with The Ginger Growler

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/26/labour-every-uk-borough-must-take-fair-share-migrants/

[Trickytreesreds]

RIP the USA.

Despite CNN 's best efforts to undo Trump( no audience/ mike shut off/ loaded questions), they forgot the one issue that could destroy their plans. The simple fact that Joe Biden is losing his marbles and comes across as a gibbering idiot.

It was painful to watch and I dare say, elderly abuse.
The after speech greets, were also laughable as the Democrats applauded him and themselves in an attempt to upgrade that performance.

He will get the chop, asap. No doubt about that. They have to move fast, as they handed Trump that on a plate.
Kamala Harris isn't up to the job either. She's only there as a box ticking stooge and is quite frankly, awful.

Just like here, it's the same story, "are you two the best we have"?

[MadAmster]

RIP the USA.

Despite CNN 's best efforts to undo Trump( no audience/ mike shut off/ loaded questions), they forgot the one issue that could destroy their plans. The simple fact that Joe Biden is losing his marbles and comes across as a gibbering idiot.

It was painful to watch and I dare say, elderly abuse.
The after speech greets, were also laughable as the Democrats applauded him and themselves in an attempt to upgrade that performance.

He will get the chop, asap. No doubt about that. They have to move fast, as they handed Trump that on a plate.
Kamala Harris isn't up to the job either. She's only there as a box ticking stooge and is quite frankly, awful.

Just like here, it's the same story, "are you two the best we have"?

Michelle Obama? Something. IIRC, I spoke about a while back.

[Trickytreesreds]

Michelle Obama? Something. IIRC, I spoke about a while back.

Not a chance, no front line experiance. In fact in 2021 she was advertising her retirement.
Be a box ticking appointment.

Shapiro has more gumption and a much better CV

[Trickytreesreds]

The plot thickens then, with Reformgate channel 4

This is going to be fun, finding out who exactly put him up to this and how deep channel 4 was involved.
It seems Farage really does scare the establishment and their comfortable life.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/515111587515378

[macstheman]

Shapiro has more gumption and a much better CV

They'll be 'Walking back to Happiness' in that case😎!