Election Year or Fear!

[ramAnag]

Simple answer, no, because they aren’t my priority mix of services. No use having hood schools if the kids are all being taught Russian for example. If you rephrased it as ‘all social services with my priorities in the mix, and at least 90 efficient use’ then yes, no-one likes paying taxes but I realise the need for them.

Okay…I ‘get’ that we may have different priorities - although I’ve no idea where ‘Russian’ comes into it, or why. But…not least after the last 14 years of incompetence and circumstances beyond etc…I’d think it reasonable to suggest that, in no particular order, education, NHS, water and sewage, roads, care for the elderly, and our emergency services are at the forefront of more or less universal approval.

Still at least you aren’t ruling out the necessity for tax rises, which is a breakthrough, and I’ve always used the term ‘properly targeted’ for which you’ve substituted ‘90% efficient use’, so we have the basis for agreement. The problem then is how to do it…because for the last 14 years taxes have gone up and our ‘services’ have simultaneously been in decline which is largely why the Tories are facing likely extinction.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I'd be happy to pay 200 a year in extra tax if there was a certainty that it would be spent wisely and efficiently on your 5 elements rA. Especially, to square the circle - if those schools taught FBV!

But you know as well as I do that it's not that simple.

[ramAnag]

I'd be happy to pay 200 a year in extra tax if there was a certainty that it would be spent wisely and efficiently on your 5 elements rA. Especially, to square the circle - if those schools taught FBV!

But you know as well as I do that it's not that simple.

Of course it’s not that simple, I’m not saying it is…but if we want decent services then we have to be grown up enough to acknowledge that tax isn’t a dirty word and neither is ‘fairness’.

P.S. £200 was random…with all your wealth I’d expect you might have to pay more!

[MadAmster]

Someone posted this YT video on FB. It shows all of Farridge's "warts". Not fit for the dustbin, never mind office.

[Trickytreesreds]

Apart from the fact the economic benefits of migration are well researched and proven, the fact tha migrants make a net contribution to the economy is also proven, the *******s about it contributing to the economic decline over the past few years is repeated by people who haven't a clue. Brexit on the other hand has ****ed the economy and Farage has never been right about anything, his so called freeze on immigration is nothing of the sort, he has admitted that the Uk would still need immigration for a wide range of jobs, so not zero then is it? Its a ****ing fantasy peddled so simpletons like you will swallow it.

The simple reason that services are poor and can't cope is the austerity that was inflicted by the coalition and Tory government, you can't sack 20,000 experienced Police officers and wonder why crime increases, you can't cut spending by 40% and wonder why services are declining. You can't not replace the council/social housing thats been sold off - and have a miilon empty , second or holiday homes and wonder why there is a housing crisis.

I could go on, but any sentient person would look at whats happened and think, the rich have got richer and there are more of them,, the gap between those on average incomes and the rich has increased who the **** has got all the money then?

But as Hitler demonstrated in the 1930's, pick a group to blame and the thick simpletons will follow suit ignoring the obvious truth.

wrong wrong wrong, as the latest information leaked said. In fact you conviniently ignored it, when it was discussed on here. I'm an engineer not an accountant. Please tell me, how GDP despite massive influxes has stagnated, and GDP per capita fallen through the floor. Despite your obnoxious attempts at put downs through personal insults, you continue to make yourself look a bell end.

Even your examples like council housing etc. I never agreed with Thatcher doing that, but did she forsee millions flooding intot he country, crippling the housing market.
Since Cameron took power, the population increased by 9 million. I don't think your bloody council houses would cover that.

[Trickytreesreds]

‘A bit scattergun’. Tbh AF maybe one has to be with you at times, such is your tendency towards ducking and diving and general evasiveness.
Here we have a classic example. You concentrate on the more lighthearted part of my point - answering very naively imo but that’s irrelevant for now - and totally ignore the more relevant part…even ‘deselecting’ it from the quoted post.

So, I’ll ask again…and yes I know at the moment it’s largely hypothetical, but this is a question of principle rather than the practical fine tuning.

IF you were asked to pay an extra (and hypothetical) £200 per year in income tax in the knowledge that, again hypothetically, 20% would go to improving schools, 20% would go to the NHS, 20% would go to restoring our polluted rivers and coastlines, 20% to addressing the need for decent elderly care and 20% to our emergency services…would you think that reasonable?

I would, but show me when/where Labour/Tories would give concrete promises on that?
As said, tax has never been higher, yet all those thing are "underfunded" by most screamers. You can raise as much as you want, but until things are managed and controlled better, you are wasting your breath

[Trickytreesreds]

Someone posted this YT video on FB. It shows all of Farridge's "warts". Not fit for the dustbin, never mind office.

and yet, he seems a lot more trustworthy on topics than the other 2 muppets.

The campaign to discredit Farage, is going into overdrive as threat he poses to the staus quo is being realised.
Swale is squadren leader in here.

Even the civil servants think that death threats are ok. The very swamp that needs draining.

https://youtu.be/1JaidHRIblc?t=45

YOUGOV - More Britons think Reform UK is telling the truth on immigration than Labour and the Conservatives, new polling shows.

The survey reveals deep distrust among the public, with 52 percent of respondents saying they don't think Sir Keir Starmer's party is being truthful on the topic and 49 percent saying the same about the Tories.

Some 60 percent said they think Nigel Farage's party is telling the truth about immigration in the poll of 2,238 Britons carried out by YouGov for Sky News from June 14-17.

The poll comes as Reform has set out proposals for a "freeze" on non-essential immigration as well as a four-point plan to tackle small boats including quitting the European Convention on Human Rights and returning migrants who come over in boats to France.

[Trickytreesreds]

BTW Maddy, do you then approve that Labours opponant for Farage is a much nicer prospect?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU1fkM3Ztwk&t=530s

[MadAmster]

As ever, parties don't tell the whole truth.

Let's look at Labour. Starmer has said he won't raise Income Tax, NIC or VAT. I don't think he will. What he will do is impose higher taxes on Banks and Banker's bonuses. He will look at taxing the super rich by filling in any loopholes. He might even apply a wealth tax on anybody with more than x amount be that 10, 15, 20 million. They can afford it. I don't know if it's true but people are posting online that the UK had 35 food banks in 2010 and there's over 3500 now. While the number of poorer folk needing food banks has risen immensely, the same sources are saying that, in 2010, the 1000 richest in the UK had a total wealth of £248Bn. Today that figure for the richest 1000 tops £1 Trillion. If true, the divide is, indeed, increasing at an alarming rate and needs to be reset somehow.

IMO, a billionaire should pay the same % in tax as a builder or a nurse or a lorry driver, but no, they have their accountants working overtime to bring that % down close to 0.

Farridge wants to bring Corporation Tax down from 25% to 20% and, eventually, to 15%. The 1000 richest are very much on their way to £2 Trillion in a short timespan. There's an awful lot of levelling to be done.

[Andy_Faber]

Okay…I ‘get’ that we may have different priorities - although I’ve no idea where ‘Russian’ comes into it, or why. But…not least after the last 14 years of incompetence and circumstances beyond etc…I’d think it reasonable to suggest that, in no particular order, education, NHS, water and sewage, roads, care for the elderly, and our emergency services are at the forefront of more or less universal approval.

Still at least you aren’t ruling out the necessity for tax rises, which is a breakthrough, and I’ve always used the term ‘properly targeted’ for which you’ve substituted ‘90% efficient use’, so we have the basis for agreement. The problem then is how to do it…because for the last 14 years taxes have gone up and our ‘services’ have simultaneously been in decline which is largely why the Tories are facing likely extinction.

The ‘Russian’ thing relates to my priorities (and your lack of). Using a Derby County analogy, you wouldn’t have your wish list for incoming transfers for the new season if there was no Derby County would you? So survival of the club always took priority. Likewise, I value the place we live (the British Isles) as highest priority, from which and into which all other things flow. I therefore value defence of the the realm above the other considerations. That falls into pure defence (from let’s say Russia) defence from attack on our way of life (let’s say radical Islam) and defence from more insidious ‘actors’ (let’s say China). Just a personal view, but I’m not surprised you excluded it

[ramAnag]

The ‘Russian’ thing relates to my priorities (and your lack of). Using a Derby County analogy, you wouldn’t have your wish list for incoming transfers for the new season if there was no Derby County would you? So survival of the club always took priority. Likewise, I value the place we live (the British Isles) as highest priority, from which and into which all other things flow. I therefore value defence of the the realm above the other considerations. That falls into pure defence (from let’s say Russia) defence from attack on our way of life (let’s say radical Islam) and defence from more insidious ‘actors’ (let’s say China). Just a personal view, but I’m not surprised you excluded it

Andy…I didn’t exclude anything and of course I recognise the need for defence spending. I was identifying the things that explicitly need attention and putting right after the last 14 years of neglect. Maybe defence is another…I wouldn’t know but it may well be.

[ramAnag]

Someone posted this YT video on FB. It shows all of Farridge's "warts". Not fit for the dustbin, never mind office.

Don’t usually value YT vids on forums but maybe this one should be on mainstream TV. Well done MA…always knew there was something I didn’t like about Farage.

[Andy_Faber]

Andy…I didn’t exclude anything and of course I recognise the need for defence spending. I was identifying the things that explicitly need attention and putting right after the last 14 years of neglect. Maybe defence is another…I wouldn’t know but it may well be.

‘14 years of neglect’…you’re so easily drawn in rA!

Anyway you have my answer, although I would never volunteer any tax payment not due, if my tax went up for ‘the general good’ and was spent effectively then yes I wouldn’t be on the streets protesting about a modest increase. It’s happened often enough over the years relating to one particular ‘income stream’ I have that I’m used to it

[ramAnag]

You’ll have to explain that first sentence. Why else are schools, hospitals and roads in such a comparatively dreadful state?

I had your answer early doors this morning and appreciate it. Of course none of us would ‘volunteer any tax payment not due’ - other than charitable giving which I suppose is a form of totally selective and entirely voluntary conscience/gratitude ‘tax’ - but the point is…in the grown up real world we have to contribute towards the things we want and in terms of ‘services’ that is very likely to involve higher taxation. As ever…if we get what we pay for I, for one, won’t be objecting.

[ramAnag]

It all depends upon whose likely to win in your constituency, but I hope like me, you will vote for whomever seems likely to beat the Tory!

Except in Clacton!!