Election Year or Fear!

[Trickytreesreds]

Labour 408 seats 9,549,258 23000 votes per seat
Tories 115 seats 6,587,259 57280 votes per seat
Reform 4 seats 4,006, 378 1,000,000 votes per seat
Libs 68 seats 3,366,290 49,504 votes per seat
Other 6 seats 812,298 135,383 votes per seat
SNP 8seats 666,293 83.286 votes per seat
Workers 0 seats 206,990 zip.
SF 7 seats 199,564 28504 votes per seat
PC 4 seats 194,811 48702 votes per seat
DUP 4 seats 160,552 40132 votes per seat
Alliance 1 seat 113,557 113557 votes per seat
UUP 1 seat 91,367 91367 votes per seat
SDLP 2 seats 81.601 40800 votes per seat
Alba 0 seat 11,784 ( good old Salmond, still won't shut him up either)

Grossly wrong at every level.

Everyone has a voice, and that voice deserves to be heard fairly.

[MadAmster]

TTR with 2 results still to come, Labour are on 412 seats. They were on 410 this morning, half a dozen hours ago. How did you end up with 408 just half an hour ago?

[MadAmster]

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[MadAmster]

It's a funny old world. We needed change in government, but I'm not sure we needed such a quantum shift in numbers. It certainly will refocus the PR debate but with Tories calling for it and Libdems nor ��. More role reversal!

I don't know what Starmer or Sunak think right now on PR. I heard the Lib Dem leader say on the BBC this morning that he was still in favour of PR despite the fact that it would have cost them 8 or 9 seats this election.

I remember elections in the past when they got 1/4 of the votes and but a dozen seats.

[ramAnag]

My verdict? A step in a better direction. We have a decent human being in Downing Street for the first time in years. How quickly they’ll be able to undo the harm done since 2019, and arguably 2010, remains to be seen.

In answer to GP…no, I’d far rather still be part of the EU and playing our part in resisting the move towards the Right.
In answer to AF…no comparison between the percentage in the two horse Brexit ‘race’ and the multiple choices at a General Election…but then you were probably ‘just joshing’. Who can tell?

My thanks to Boris Johnson and Liz Truss…your repeated dishonesty and complete incompetence probably did as much to help Labour win as anything else.

Can’t argue with those who want a change to the voting system. It wasn’t fair in 2019 and it isn’t fair now but, a bit like VAR…it seems okay when it goes your way.

I asked the question months ago, in the thread’s original post, about the impact Reform UK would have and it’s proved to be…huge, nowhere more so than in my own constituency of Derbyshire Dales.
The last Labour victory in this area was in 1945! This time the margin of victory was just 350 and seeing as the disowned (even by Farage!) Reform UK candidate picked up over 7700 votes, the irony is obvious.
Still it spelled the end of the, imo, useless Sarah Dines and, along with the demises of Rees-Mogg, Truss and the attention seeking Galloway, those were my personal highlights.

Attention now moves to France and the USA, beginning with, hopefully and sadly, a sensible replacement for Biden.

[Geoff Parkstone]

My verdict? A step in a better direction. We have a decent human being in Downing Street for the first time in years...

Are you referring to Starmers butler??

[ramAnag]

Are you referring to Starmers butler??

[Trickytreesreds]

TTR with 2 results still to come, Labour are on 412 seats. They were on 410 this morning, half a dozen hours ago. How did you end up with 408 just half an hour ago?

because I was typing out the scores on the doors from this morning. Even Reform has an extra 1!!! Only 800 000 votes per seat now

[Trickytreesreds]

Are you referring to Starmers butler??

A decent human being, who doesn't know what a woman is,

[ramAnag]

A decent human being, who doesn't know what a woman is,

Be interested in your definition in the current climate…but I’ll settle for a decent human being who knows the difference between right and wrong. It’ll make a change.

[Trickytreesreds]

Be interested in your definition in the current climate…but I’ll settle for a decent human being who knows the difference between right and wrong. It’ll make a change.

Starmer attempt one. 2022

A woman is a female adult, and in addition to that trans women are women, and that is not just my view — that is actually the law. It has been the law through the combined effects of the 2004 [Gender Recognition] Act and the 2010 [Equality] Act. So that’s my view. It also happens to be the law in the United Kingdom.

A trans woman wrote this.
If Keir Starmer thinks that I am a woman, I am delighted to tell him the truth. Transwomen (like me) are male, while women (like my wife) are female. Biology does not lie, male is not female, and therefore transwomen are not women. Shocking that might sound to some ears, the logic is inescapable and the sky does not fall in when you admit it.

He’s wrong about the law too. The Equality Act does not change anyone’s *** – legal or otherwise. The Equality and Human Rights Commission was clear about that back in 2018:

So much for Mr Director of Public Prosecutions.

Attempt 2 2024

"What is a woman? Well, it’s not a very hard thing for me to answer really.

"I’m definitely of the school that says, biologically, a woman is with a vagina and a man is with a *****. I think we can say that quite clearly."
"The point is this: if people want to reassign their gender… that’s absolutely fine, and people should be entitled to do that.

"There is no doubt at all there are people who genuinely feel that they are in the wrong body.

"I completely get it."


He got there in the end bless him, though it took him 2 years and listening to Tony Blair.

Decent human being? Well that remains to be seen. He's turned a blind eye to things in the past and chosen not to get involved(Ed Davey is another one)
He does too many things too easily, that are the topic of the day to curry favour for me.
We'll see when his first pressure decision hits him.

[SithHappens]

Starmer does strike me as decent, to be fair I can't say sunak didn't seem decent. Thank God Farage isn't in number 10, now there is an example of an awful human being.

[Trickytreesreds]

Starmer does strike me as decent, to be fair I can't say sunak didn't seem decent. Thank God Farage isn't in number 10, now there is an example of an awful human being.

don't leave it there. Why?

[MadAmster]

don't leave it there. Why?

Modern Day Oswald Mosley?

[ramAnag]

Modern Day Oswald Mosley?

Unfortunately, MA…there are people, and Tricky MAY be one of them, who won’t consider that to make NF an ‘awful human being’.