Election Year or Fear!

[Andy_Faber]

Thank you. I was thinking in terms of ‘economics and social justice’ and I am quite happy to include Jesus amongst my short list of personal heroes and ‘role models’.

Again without in any way having a go, as someone who is, I think, much further to the Right - though a long way from the ‘far Right’ - how do you then remain comfortable labelling yourself a Christian?

I certainly don’t always live up to it, but I’d argue that my view of the world is considerably more ‘Christian’ than yours. Even Swale seems more closely aligned - in terms of economics and social justice - to the teachings/example of Jesus, although he’d probably call himself a ‘****ing Christian’.

P.S. Good to see, from a continued distance, that the decent people of the country appeared to stand up against the fascists and racists last night. Count me in on that one.

Im by no means ‘devout’ but not am I one of those irritating ‘pick n mix’ Folk who follow Christian ideas only when it suits. The bible’s not an instruction booklet it’s just a bunch of stories and there are bits I’m 100% against (the ‘sin’ of same *** love for example I consider bollox) and there are also bits that need a bit of interpretation (Noah’s ark story being an allegory for climate change for instance, not interpreted as such by all). The big message I carry with me is thinking about the impact of my actions on others, of course other folk have their own values.

Re Swale, not gonna judge anyone else based on their witterings on an internet forum, nor does my judgement really mean anything

[ramAnag]

Im by no means ‘devout’ but not am I one of those irritating ‘pick n mix’ Folk who follow Christian ideas only when it suits. The bible’s not an instruction booklet it’s just a bunch of stories and there are bits I’m 100% against (the ‘sin’ of same *** love for example I consider bollox) and there are also bits that need a bit of interpretation (Noah’s ark story being an allegory for climate change for instance, not interpreted as such by all). The big message I carry with me is thinking about the impact of my actions on others, of course other folk have their own values.

Re Swale, not gonna judge anyone else based on their witterings on an internet forum, nor does my judgement really mean anything

Fair enough…I wasn’t ‘judging’ Swale…or you. Just interested seeing as, I think, you used to describe yourself as the forum’s only church goer.

Doubt that Noah’s Ark has anything to do with climate change…just floods (which have been around for ever), being prepared and following God’s advice.

My biggest ‘life’ message is, similar to yours, ‘Do unto others as you would have done unto you…’ which a few people would do well to take notice of right now.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Im by no means ‘devout’ but not am I one of those irritating ‘pick n mix’ Folk who follow Christian ideas only when it suits. The bible’s not an instruction booklet it’s just a bunch of stories and there are bits I’m 100% against (the ‘sin’ of same *** love for example I consider bollox) and there are also bits that need a bit of interpretation (Noah’s ark story being an allegory for climate change for instance, not interpreted as such by all). The big message I carry with me is thinking about the impact of my actions on others, of course other folk have their own values.

Re Swale, not gonna judge anyone else based on their witterings on an internet forum, nor does my judgement really mean anything

I always liked the tale of Onan spilling his seed upon the ground. Every time I sneak into the park for a crafty w ank I rejoice in how I'm following the Lord's words

[Trickytreesreds]

Thank you. I was thinking in terms of ‘economics and social justice’ and I am quite happy to include Jesus amongst my short list of personal heroes and ‘role models’.

Again without in any way having a go, as someone who is, I think, much further to the Right - though a long way from the ‘far Right’ - how do you then remain comfortable labelling yourself a Christian?

I certainly don’t always live up to it, but I’d argue that my view of the world is considerably more ‘Christian’ than yours. Even Swale seems more closely aligned - in terms of economics and social justice - to the teachings/example of Jesus, although he’d probably call himself a ‘****ing Christian’.

P.S. Good to see, from a continued distance, that the decent people of the country appeared to stand up against the fascists and racists last night. Count me in on that one.

Jesus as i was taught was all about a harmonious living , without sin/ bias/ intolerance. You could make that left leaning, but it depends which country you are in.
The EU includes people of many faiths and not a small number of atheists, and among EU diplomats there are different views on the role of religion in the bloc. One quipped that the key distinction between Europe’s major political movements is that “socialists want government to be god, and Christian Democrats, god to be government.”

In the US its even more complicated.

Italy is the home of modern day Christianity, jesus teachings have been used to both ends of the spectrum.

ps. Yes the decent people came out all right
Glad to see this nut job whipping them up, has been suspended. Will 2 tier Keir have him prosecuted?

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/BNu8XbTJjEjEE7tE/

Most of these protests just chanted Free free Palestine? Not exactly sure what that has to do with ant fascists and racists. Especially as these marches are usually full of racist chants

[MadAmster]

Glad to see this nut job whipping them up, has been suspended. Will 2 tier Keir have him prosecuted?

Not Starmer's call. It's down to the DPP.

[SithHappens]

Fun question as I know it won't happen, but another mare for labour today with one more MP suspended for encouraging people to slit the throats of the far right protesters and another likely to be hauled over the coals for historical tweets which have an element of racism.

If they continue suspending MPs at the rate they have the majority could be gone by Christmas ( i knowit won't). Let's just say they do and we end up with more independents than any one party, do independents form a majority government with say Corbyn as PM?

OK I know it's not going to happen but what would happen if enough MPs are suspended or defects mid term meaning the majority swings away from the party in power?

Would it mean a forced GE or like I've said could the party with the majority form a government.

This isn't wishful thinking btw, it's something I wondered when the Tory mps started defecting.

[ramAnag]

Not Starmer's call. It's down to the DPP.

Stop talking sense, MA…posts 1138-1139 have just made me think all reasonable debate has finished…but just to back you up… YouGov, yes I know Tricky, just left wing layabouts , have done a poll revealing that just 8% of those polled believe the rioters have any sort of point.
Let me say that again in case you missed it…just 8%!!! That means 92% don’t.
The same question put to Reform UK voters only revealed 21% support so it would seem your theory that the voice (and thuggery) of the far Right is some sort of reawakened growl across the UK and Europe is utterly delusional.

[Trickytreesreds]

Stop talking sense, MA…posts 1138-1139 have just made me think all reasonable debate has finished…but just to back you up… YouGov, yes I know Tricky, just left wing layabouts , have done a poll revealing that just 8% of those polled believe the rioters have any sort of point.
Let me say that again in case you missed it…just 8%!!! That means 92% don’t.
The same question put to Reform UK voters only revealed 21% support so it would seem your theory that the voice (and thuggery) of the far Right is some sort of reawakened growl across the UK and Europe is utterly delusional.

Oh really RA.
FARAGE HIMSELF SAYS VIOLENCE IS NOT TO BE TOLERATED , SO STOP TELLING LIES.

Whilst you are clearly going to go the party finger pointing, I now understand your jellyfish attitude to immigration pre election.
This is the latest YOUGOV poll on it. IT IS NOW THE HOT TOPIC #1
Surprise surprise, only Labour voters don't think it is. But I suppose they are Blairs children I suppose.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50266-top-national-issues-crime-and-immigration-shoot-up-since-mid-july

[Trickytreesreds]

Here's a bit more for you, not that you'll believe it. You never do.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/do-brits-think-that-immigration-has-been-too-high-or-low-in-the-last-10-years

[Andy_Faber]

Stop talking sense, MA…posts 1138-1139 have just made me think all reasonable debate has finished…but just to back you up… YouGov, yes I know Tricky, just left wing layabouts , have done a poll revealing that just 8% of those polled believe the rioters have any sort of point.
Let me say that again in case you missed it…just 8%!!! That means 92% don’t.
The same question put to Reform UK voters only revealed 21% support so it would seem your theory that the voice (and thuggery) of the far Right is some sort of reawakened growl across the UK and Europe is utterly delusional.

I think you’ve deliberately misrepresented the outcome of that report, but nice try in any event

[ramAnag]

I think you’ve deliberately misrepresented the outcome of that report, but nice try in any event

It’s possible I’ve misinterpreted it - something someone sent me from home - but it certainly wasn’t either deliberate or misrepresentation.

[Trickytreesreds]

I think you’ve deliberately misrepresented the outcome of that report, but nice try in any event

He put the slant on it to support his own bias.

To reiterate, Farage and many others have condemned the violence.
Those taking part are just the tip of the iceberg of a problem, that no one wants to see.
RA doesn't want to talk about it/ acknowledge it. But the elephant in the room is real

When the BLM riots went on. Was the attacks/arson/damages/ police hurt indicative of the whole movement? No, it wasn't.
But many felt they had to shout out and many still showed support despite the violence. Even the police were soft on it, until it all got out of hand (think sith forgets this)

https://news.sky.com/story/george-floyd-violence-breaks-out-at-anti-racism-protest-in-london-12001942

So my point is, why are these riots being used to silence any that also think they deserve to be heard?
Perhaps a ballot on immgration is long overdue. Seeing as we have jumped from 10's of thousands, to hundreds of thousands?
The rioting may stop, but the causes haven't gone away.

BTW Ra,you seem to have an image of what far right actually is. In your head it is white related. Yu need to open your eyes more, it goes across the board.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/20/leicester-call-for-calm-after-hindu-muslim-unrest-in-uk-city

[Trickytreesreds]

Never let it be said, I'm not charitable or unsympathetic in these dark times.

**TROUBLE IN DERBY- Please help, give generously
The trouble flared after locals mistook the Mecca bingo as a new asylum centre and began rioting, after several hours the police brought the troubles under control, early estimates put the damage at around £30.
One resident - Sharon Jones, a 15-year-old mother of 5 said, "it was such a shock, my little Chardonnay-Mercedes come running into my bedroom crying.
My youngest two,
Tyler-Sparkle and
Pixie-Storm slept through it all. I was still shaking when I was skinning up and watching Lorraine the next morning".
Apparently looting, muggings and car crime were unaffected and carried on as normal.
The British Red Cross has so far managed to ship 4,000 crates of White Lightning to the stricken locals.
Rescue workers are still searching through the rubble and have found large quantities of personal belongings, including benefit books, jewellery from Elizabeth Duke at Argos and Bone China from Poundland.
HOW CAN YOU HELP?
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[SithHappens]

**** me I'm confused

[ramAnag]

**** me I'm confused

You and me both, Sith. Perhaps he’s had too many of those blue fizzy drinks.