Election Year or Fear!

[Andy_Faber]

Really? Slightly confusing sentence…but I’m amazed and if that’s the case I’d suggest they a) aren’t doing their (full time) jobs properly and b) have no business complaining about being overworked which, in my experience, many teachers are…and for a lot less than MP’s receive.

P.S. Or maybe it’s a double bluff and you don’t actually have any ‘teacher and doctor friends’…or maybe just one of each.

P.P.S. Seriously…I think the average current UK salary is somewhere between £35-36k. If MP’s can’t be satisfied, while representing their constituents, on approaching three times that amount then they’re in the wrong job for the wrong reasons…imo.

You're living in the past rA, most people have second jobs. My (4) teacher friends are also private music and maths teachers and PTs, I think one is an interior design consultant too. I know 3 doctors, they all do private work as well as their salaried employment.

and stop with the lack of belief of my anecdotes, its a childish habit of Swales'you've picked up but to quote one of your favourite phrases 'you're better than that'.

On the subject of remuneration, I don't agree, they have a four year contract and if they want to create or continue life-long revenue streams so be it.

[ramAnag]

You're living in the past rA, most people have second jobs. My (4) teacher friends are also private music and maths teachers and PTs, I think one is an interior design consultant too. I know 3 doctors, they all do private work as well as their salaried employment.

and stop with the lack of belief of my anecdotes, its a childish habit of Swales'you've picked up but to quote one of your favourite phrases 'you're better than that'.

On the subject of remuneration, I don't agree, they have a four year contract and if they want to create or continue life-long revenue streams so be it.

‘Most people have second jobs.’ Really?

With respect, AF, not living in ‘your world’ doesn’t equate to ‘living in the past’. I’d wager I have, and certainly have had, a great deal more ‘teacher friends’ than you. Of all of them - a great many more than four - I can think of two who have separate income streams via rented property, one who was a professional musician, one who used to run weekend discos and one who used to earn a bit of extra money selling perfume at Christmas. The vast majority have their hands more than full just keeping up with the demands of the job. Like you I do know doctors, though not as friends, who do private work alongside their salaried employment though that has always seemed a tad morally questionable to me.

After your performance this week you’re really in no position to lecture anyone about ‘childish habits’ and, despite your obsession, I’ve picked nothing up from Swale and was just ‘joshing’ about your anecdote, although seeing as, by your own admission, it related to just four teachers and three doctors it’s hardly representative is it?

[SithHappens]

I don't think I know a single person with a 2nd job.

Of course my small circle of friends and family won't be representative either.

Of course i expect lots of people do have 2nd jobs, mostly to top up an inadequate income. However I would expect that 2nd job not to interfere with their 1st.

Do Farages side jobs interfere with his 1st, assuming his 1st is considered to be his job as an MP? It's early to tell especially as MPs are in their summer holidays right now.

My gut instinct is he will be a terrible MP for Clacton but I accept my personal opinion of him is clouding my judgement.

If he does a great job as MP for Clacton, makes himself available for constituents and prioritizes it over all else then if he does other work I don't see an issue.

I personally think he will bore of it quickly, I would be very surprised to see him see out all 5 years in the role.

[swaledale]

I don't think I know a single person with a 2nd job.

Of course my small circle of friends and family won't be representative either.

Of course i expect lots of people do have 2nd jobs, mostly to top up an inadequate income. However I would expect that 2nd job not to interfere with their 1st.

Do Farages side jobs interfere with his 1st, assuming his 1st is considered to be his job as an MP? It's early to tell especially as MPs are in their summer holidays right now.

My gut instinct is he will be a terrible MP for Clacton but I accept my personal opinion of him is clouding my judgement.

If he does a great job as MP for Clacton, makes himself available for constituents and prioritizes it over all else then if he does other work I don't see an issue.

I personally think he will bore of it quickly, I would be very surprised to see him see out all 5 years in the role.

He got bored with it so quickly, he was jetting off to the US immediately after Parliament started! Has by all accounts been anywhere other than Clacton since he was elected and judging by comments from his constituents has not held a surgery, doesn't respond to requests from them and neither do Reform (his private company) have the staff or organisation to respond either.

But then that's no surprise because as an MEP he attended very few times, didn't attend important committees, he is not a politician, because that's boring and hard work, he is just a professional paid agitator and I'm baffled why people think otherwise.

[Andy_Faber]

‘Most people have second jobs.’ Really?

With respect, AF, not living in ‘your world’ doesn’t equate to ‘living in the past’. I’d wager I have, and certainly have had, a great deal more ‘teacher friends’ than you. Of all of them - a great many more than four - I can think of two who have separate income streams via rented property, one who was a professional musician, one who used to run weekend discos and one who used to earn a bit of extra money selling perfume at Christmas. The vast majority have their hands more than full just keeping up with the demands of the job. Like you I do know doctors, though not as friends, who do private work alongside their salaried employment though that has always seemed a tad morally questionable to me.

After your performance this week you’re really in no position to lecture anyone about ‘childish habits’ and, despite your obsession, I’ve picked nothing up from Swale and was just ‘joshing’ about your anecdote, although seeing as, by your own admission, it related to just four teachers and three doctors it’s hardly representative is it?

It’s not childish to stand up for something you believe, it is however hypocritical to state that that you are not getting involved in an issue yet repeatedly reference it.

[ramAnag]

It’s not childish to stand up for something you believe, it is however hypocritical to state that that you are not getting involved in an issue yet repeatedly reference it.

Oh do behave.
No one has said it’s ‘childish to stand up for something you believe in’ and all I’ve tried to do today is steer things back on topic, not helped by your frankly daft assertions that I’m ‘living in the past’ because ‘most people have second jobs’.
They don’t…do they? That simply isn’t true no matter how much you might think it is because you’ve said it.

[swaledale]

GBNews total income in its last full financial year was £6.7 million. It lost £42 million. No serious business pays £1 million salaries on the back of those numbers. So, how can it justify paying Farage £1 million a year? (I mean one struggles with the concept of Farage being worth £1 million a year but then that's todays crazy world

GBNews is very clearly a highly-subsidised political project, not a broadcaster. Obviously its for the benefit of the "average" person in the UK, because billionaires are noted for their concern for such people!

[swaledale]

It’s not childish to stand up for something you believe, it is however hypocritical to state that that you are not getting involved in an issue yet repeatedly reference it.

Mm on rather shaky ground calling somebody else a hypocrite, when being hypocritical and evasive as to your true views is your modus operandi!

[Andy_Faber]

Oh do behave.
No one has said it’s ‘childish to stand up for something you believe in’ and all I’ve tried to do today is steer things back on topic, not helped by your frankly daft assertions that I’m ‘living in the past’ because ‘most people have second jobs’.
No they don’t…do they?

I don't know, where's your poof that they don't?

Being serious, of course 'most people' don't have second jobs because 'most' would include the retired and those who are unemployed by choice or otherwise. A quick poll amongst my neighbours suggests NONE of the people have second jobs, in fact as they are all retired none of them (apart from Mrs F and I) have any income apart from pensions. However, looking down my facebook messenger feed the top eleven people have two jobs/revenue streams/side hustles/call them what you will - Horse racing journalist/ad sales chaser, special needs teacher/music journalist, musician/truck driver, magazine publisher/e-bike seller, CO-OP store employee/old person carer, I won't bore you with the whole. List. Of the list, one does two jobs to make ends meet, the rest do so because they can, AND as far as I can see they don't let one job impact on the other, AND just to cover any criticism of depriving others of income, as far as I can see again, their second jobs/side hustles were worked up by them to fill a market gap and/or they don't offer an income that would suffice on its own.

The 'living in the past' comment is valid though because you seem unaware of the increasing number of younger people have second jobs/ second sources of income/'side hustles', and despite me being 'one of them' even I'm bamboozled by the variety of such activities amongst the ****/twenties/thirties who are the offspring of my family and friendship groups.

[Andy_Faber]

I don't think I know a single person with a 2nd job.

Of course my small circle of friends and family won't be representative either.

Of course i expect lots of people do have 2nd jobs, mostly to top up an inadequate income. However I would expect that 2nd job not to interfere with their 1st.

Do Farages side jobs interfere with his 1st, assuming his 1st is considered to be his job as an MP? It's early to tell especially as MPs are in their summer holidays right now.

My gut instinct is he will be a terrible MP for Clacton but I accept my personal opinion of him is clouding my judgement.

If he does a great job as MP for Clacton, makes himself available for constituents and prioritizes it over all else then if he does other work I don't see an issue.

I personally think he will bore of it quickly, I would be very surprised to see him see out all 5 years in the role.

Sensible analysis. I can't see him doing anything like a 'good job' in the traditional sense, ie chasing local issues, but I don't think those who voted him in wanted that, they wanted him to shake things up at a national level. Bit of tough sh*t for the poor folk wanting potholes filled but he might say get local govt to chase that

IMO in the unlikely event that he does discharge his duties properly he is fine earning from other sources BUT I don't think he should be getting his income from a media position at all, never mind one as politically charged as GB News. Note that unlike others who criticise GB News here, I DO watch or listen to it on occasion, so feel more qualified that them to review it (as 90% rabble rousing but a worthwhile 10% enlightening, if you have time to fact check their claims!)

Regarding your point about second jobs to top up an inadequate first income, the thing I genuinely can't work out is that there are folk who have to work two (proper) jobs to 'survive' which must be horrible, yet there are also folk who don't deem it necessary to work yet still do survive anyway.

[swaledale]

I’ve worked out where you get your strange phraseology and constant Nazi references from - youre just lifting them from the words and activist tactics of someone else! That’s just plagiarism in another form! No I’m not naming names you already know of course. Try to be original, I’m sure that unlike the dim, thick and foolish amongst us you have it in you.

Have you indeed? Constant Nazi references? Mm occasional but then perhaps your counting system is different to mine, but the so is your perception, of 1. reality, 2. facts and 3. What constitutes plagiarism.

I mean you post a German phrase, I responded with a elated comment, not had to figure out why really!

Oh please do name names, because I'm waiting with baited breath for you to enlighten me!

[swaledale]

Like shooting fish in a barrel

Yes I do feel its rather easy to demolish your rather pathetic attempts to appear clever, do try harder old chap.

[ramAnag]

I don't know, where's your poof that they don't?

Being serious, of course 'most people' don't have second jobs because 'most' would include the retired and those who are unemployed by choice or otherwise. A quick poll amongst my neighbours suggests NONE of the people have second jobs, in fact as they are all retired none of them (apart from Mrs F and I) have any income apart from pensions. However, looking down my facebook messenger feed the top eleven people have two jobs/revenue streams/side hustles/call them what you will - Horse racing journalist/ad sales chaser, special needs teacher/music journalist, musician/truck driver, magazine publisher/e-bike seller, CO-OP store employee/old person carer, I won't bore you with the whole. List. Of the list, one does two jobs to make ends meet, the rest do so because they can, AND as far as I can see they don't let one job impact on the other, AND just to cover any criticism of depriving others of income, as far as I can see again, their second jobs/side hustles were worked up by them to fill a market gap and/or they don't offer an income that would suffice on its own.

The 'living in the past' comment is valid though because you seem unaware of the increasing number of younger people have second jobs/ second sources of income/'side hustles', and despite me being 'one of them' even I'm bamboozled by the variety of such activities amongst the ****/twenties/thirties who are the offspring of my family and friendship groups.

Right…so now it’s, ‘of course most people don’t have second jobs’…thank you. Nearest you’ve ever got to conceding you were completely in the wrong.

Interesting you should use the phrase ‘side hustle’ as that’s exactly the wording I’ve come across which suggests that 1 in 4 of the working population of the UK has such a sideline which the Henley Business School defines as ‘a small business or secondary job in addition to their main career’.

That suggests that 75% of the working population don’t have second jobs or ‘side hustles’ which makes your ‘most’ claim look particularly foolish…and as you seem to wish to trade anecdotes about ‘younger people’…being a little older than you doesn’t preclude me from having an awareness of the predicament of younger people including my own four children and their four partners who are all in full employment and all have just the one job.

[Andy_Faber]

Right…so now it’s, ‘of course most people don’t have second jobs’…thank you. Nearest you’ve ever got to conceding you were completely in the wrong.

Interesting you should use the phrase ‘side hustle’ as that’s exactly the wording I’ve come across which suggests that 1 in 4 of the working population of the UK has such a sideline which the Henley Business School defines as ‘a small business or secondary job in addition to their main career’.

That suggests that 75% of the working population don’t have second jobs or ‘side hustles’ which makes your ‘most’ claim look particularly foolish…and as you seem to wish to trade anecdotes about ‘younger people’…being a little older than you doesn’t preclude me from having an awareness of the predicament of younger people including my own four children and their four partners who are all in full employment and all have just the one job.

Sorry your maths is wrong. Side hustle = side hustle, it doesn't = second job or side hustle + second job. Henley are right, you're wrong. 'O' level stuff...

[Geoff Parkstone]

Late to the debate here but I thought most teachers had second jobs - to give the something to do / earn from in the long summers. That was certainly the case in the school I was governor in because it was something the governors debated when pay related issues arose (albeit the school didn't set those scales)