Election Year or Fear!

[Andy_Faber]

Acting how? It still samcks of a cover up to me. Please bear in mind Starmer was head of PP and it seems to me, that the inquiry avoidance now, will be to protect him/ Brown/Blair and the Labour party. You have to remember, that most of these outrages, happened in labour run boroughs. Votes mattered.

I want it all out, every department that failed to do their jobs and every politician who made sure it was buried.
Thousands of lives ruined, so I aint praising any of them, until they nail some guilty bodies to the wall.

Just to be clear TTR, do you mean the perps of the crimes or those seen (proved, it will have to be) to be complicit in covering up/excusing?

[ramAnag]

Here in lies the problem.

Politics/votes/ being scared over rides justice and the law.

The councils/ the police/ the social services/ politicians knew for years what was going on, but failed to act or blow the whistle.
Some of these girls were as young as 11, it isn't just a *** crime, its kiddly fiddling en masse and the thousands of victims deserve justice.
Well its time to name / shame/ prosecute those involved.

from Sky news-The ringleader of a notorious grooming gang was employed as a welfare rights officer by Oldham Council, a major report has revealed.

An independent review said Shabir Ahmed, who led the ***ual abuse ring in Rochdale, was seconded to the Oldham Pakistani Community Centre during his time working for the local authority.

Despite multiple concerns being raised about him and his arrest for the ***ual assault of children, police failed to tell his employers.

"If this had happened, it may have potentially avoided the tragic abuse of other children..." the report states, citing "serious multiple failures" by both GMP and the local authority.

This hot potato and injustice was allowed to happen, to satisfy diversity relations, votes and the girls were sacrificial lambs

I don't care about the previous inquiry, it obviously still didn't go far enough as this out rage is still occurring in some areas today.

Enough is enough and even if Starmer and Cameron have to take the can, so be it.

These animals, behaved like they were still in Pakistan and Bangladesh and British law and officials let them

Tricky, you do realise that the hideous Shabir Ahmed you speak of is serving a 22 year jail term don’t you? Things haven’t been handled well at all and I agree we have much to learn, but it’s not as if nothing was done.

Having been brought up in Oldham and spent several years as a child protection coordinator in Derby I’ll declare an interest. Would that you would do the same in your haste to discredit all things Labour and Muslim.

[Trickytreesreds]

[QUOTE=Andy_Faber;40632161]Just to be clear TTR, do you mean the perps of the crimes or those seen (proved, it will have to be) to be complicit in covering up/excusing?[/QUOTE

Of course those that committed the crimes. But i believe the ones that covered it up need to be investigated by an inguiry. Examples are already mentioned (eg Brown/ HMG), circulated a memo to police telling them not to persue this? But as I said, social services knew and did little or nothing. Councils knew and either ignored it, or swept it away.

Remember when Naz Shar retweeted this and liked it? Then she quickly back tracked and deleted it.
How far did it go, is what i want to know.

https://metro.co.uk/2017/08/23/mp-shares-tweet-saying-abuse-victims-should-shut-their-mouths-for-good-of-diversity-6872181/

[Trickytreesreds]

Tricky, you do realise that the hideous Shabir Ahmed you speak of is serving a 22 year jail term don’t you? Things haven’t been handled well at all and I agree we have much to learn, but it’s not as if nothing was done.

Having been brought up in Oldham and spent several years as a child protection coordinator in Derby I’ll declare an interest. Would that you would do the same in your haste to discredit all things Labour and Muslim.

Yes I know he was. The point was, he could have been stopped soooner, or did you miss that bit?
The point also is, that these crimes were Muslim gamgs in Labour areas. Leading us right back to votes.

[ramAnag]

Yes I know he was. The point was, he could have been stopped soooner, or did you miss that bit?
The point also is, that these crimes were Muslim gamgs in Labour areas. Leading us right back to votes.

I didn’t miss it and I did agree things weren’t handled well and that we have much to learn. We all know that, but he was imprisoned twelve years ago and has since had his sentence extended.

[Trickytreesreds]

I didn’t miss it and I did agree things weren’t handled well and that we have much to learn. We all know that, but he was imprisoned twelve years ago and has since had his sentence extended.

Quite rightly so. But like I said, not just him, but lots could and should have been prosecuted earlier, had due procedure been followed. The simple fact remains, that politics(votes) and being scared to push the subject into the light went against those poor girls/ children.

You say much to learn, how many years now is it? Still we haven't learned and clamped down on it hard enough.

Can you just imagine the outrage and riots, had this been white Christian males, corrupting/ exploiting/raping solely muslim girls?
We get a mini hurricane, just by dropping that book of theirs on the floor.

Those that played this down, covered for it, swept it under the carpet need exposing.

[SithHappens]

Will be interesting to see how powerful Musk is. He seems to be looking in Rupert Lowes direction as the next leader of Reform now he's decided Farage is surplus to requirements.

[Andy_Faber]

Will be interesting to see how powerful Musk is. He seems to be looking in Rupert Lowes direction as the next leader of Reform now he's decided Farage is surplus to requirements.

Not sure he can decide anything though, subject to the Reform membership not being susceptible to bribery

[Trickytreesreds]

Will be interesting to see how powerful Musk is. He seems to be looking in Rupert Lowes direction as the next leader of Reform now he's decided Farage is surplus to requirements.

Behave yourself sith, Lowe isn't popular enough
Farage is the most approved leader in the country, that is fact.
Reform picks its leader, not Musk

[MadAmster]

Agreed, not enough was done. HMG spent ?200M on a 7 year inquiry which delivered in excess of 20 recommendations. The Blue HMG implemented zero of those recommendations. On LauraK yesterday, Wes Streeting said the the Red HMG is working on those recommendations. Time will tell but I'm more hoping things happen rather than expecting concrete action in the next 12 months.

[ramAnag]

Quite rightly so. But like I said, not just him, but lots could and should have been prosecuted earlier, had due procedure been followed. The simple fact remains, that politics(votes) and being scared to push the subject into the light went against those poor girls/ children.

You say much to learn, how many years now is it? Still we haven't learned and clamped down on it hard enough.

Can you just imagine the outrage and riots, had this been white Christian males, corrupting/ exploiting/raping solely muslim girls?
We get a mini hurricane, just by dropping that book of theirs on the floor.

Those that played this down, covered for it, swept it under the carpet need exposing.

‘That book of theirs’. Interesting choice of phrase.

Of course there are extremes on all sides. I imagine that there are many people who would be deeply offended at any disrespect aimed at the Bible and just look at the storm created by a footballer with an Irish Republican background declining to observe Remembrance Day and the Union Jack. People, including you, got all in a tizzy last year because the national flag was wrongly coloured on a football shirt collar and Lee Carsley declined to sing the National Anthem.

I doubt very much if there would have been riots if the roles had been reversed in the way you describe but it works both ways Tricky and you’re right, the grooming gangs issue hasn’t always been handled well but those such as yourself, with not very carefully hidden agendas, aren’t helping.

[Trickytreesreds]

?That book of theirs?. Interesting choice of phrase.

Of course there are extremes on all sides. I imagine that there are many people who would be deeply offended at any disrespect aimed at the Bible and just look at the storm created by a footballer with an Irish Republican background declining to observe Remembrance Day and the Union Jack. People, including you, got all in a tizzy last year because the national flag was wrongly coloured on a football shirt collar and Lee Carsley declined to sing the National Anthem.

I doubt very much if there would have been riots if the roles had been reversed in the way you describe but it works both ways Tricky and you?re right, the grooming gangs issue hasn?t always been handled well but those such as yourself, with not very carefully hidden agendas, aren?t helping.

oh come on, that book of theirs is an affront to an inclusive society.
I never see an eyelid getting battered if you drop a bible on the floor, Remember the kid who got hounded to death and his mum grovelling in a mosque?
How about the teacher still in hiding for daring to discuss pictures ?
You see your examples, don't cause outbursts of extreme violence, that usually results in bullets / bombs/ car rammings.

there is a reason that 95% OF mi5's watch list is made up of Islamic followers and not far right.
So swings both ways is a fallacy.

I have every right to be angry and call this out for what it is. A cover up and failure to clamp down on an evil crime, in the name of votes and the altar of multiculturalism.

[Trickytreesreds]

Talking of cover ups. We all know, that the last government stopped making it easy under the freedom of information act, to access crime figures by nationality.
Well If this on the mark, it makes scary reading.

https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1876192194270568934

Folks wonder why, right wing is spreading across Europe. It is because many governments are doing this as regularly as clock work, hiding the raw facts.

[MadAmster]

Talking of cover ups. We all know, that the last government stopped making it easy under the freedom of information act, to access crime figures by nationality.
Well If this on the mark, it makes scary reading.

https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1876192194270568934

Folks wonder why, right wing is spreading across Europe. It is because many governments are doing this as regularly as clock work, hiding the raw facts.

Problem is, right wingers like Wilders and Meloni, like Trump, get in by telling folk what they want to hear. Once in power they find out some of the things they want to do are illegal and/or against international treaties. Other things turn out to have been lies. Meloni isn't doing what she promised. Wilders is doing the opposite of what he promised. During the election he lambasted other parties for not declaring they'd immediately scrap the ?365 excess on health insurance saying they were a disgrace. Now in power, the excess isn't going immediately, it's being halved in 2027. The minimum wage was going to go up by quite a lot. The increase has now been scrapped. He was going to introduce the sternest immigration policies ever. Nothing's happened. His immigration minister can't even come up with a viable plan. Keeps saying she has one, then it's not yet finished, then a part is leaked and it turns out to be illegal. One of the first things this new government has done is give tax breaks to the rich and the multinationals (which Trump also did in 2017) while the poorer 60%, who were told they were going to be better off, find themselves roughly where they were on spending power.

These populist parties promise the world and can't even deliver the Isle of Wight. I wonder why folk think Farridge is going to be any different.

[ramAnag]

oh come on, that book of theirs is an affront to an inclusive society.
I never see an eyelid getting battered if you drop a bible on the floor, Remember the kid who got hounded to death and his mum grovelling in a mosque?
How about the teacher still in hiding for daring to discuss pictures ?
You see your examples, don't cause outbursts of extreme violence, that usually results in bullets / bombs/ car rammings.

there is a reason that 95% OF mi5's watch list is made up of Islamic followers and not far right.
So swings both ways is a fallacy.

I have every right to be angry and call this out for what it is. A cover up and failure to clamp down on an evil crime, in the name of votes and the altar of multiculturalism.

The figure last October was actually 75% Islamic terrorists and 25% far right. Infinitely too high on both counts but probably explained by the fact that there are far more Islamic extremists in the world than far right nutcases.

I?m not one for ?battering? eyelids but it seems simplistic to suggest that followers of Islam have some sort of monopoly where sectarian violence is concerned. Suspect there were quite a few bullets/bombs and car ramming cases in Ireland.

I agree, we all have every right to be angry, and to call out cover ups, but your repeated hyperbole and prejudice helps no one.