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[ramAnag]

I think we might be able to put this to bed now. To sum up...

TTR thinks those involved in the grooming/rape should be investigated and, where there's sufficient evidence, arrested, charged, brought to trial and, if found guilty, dealt with severely.

Everybody else on here agrees.

The same goes, as far as I can see, for anybody that either covered anything up, helped with a cover up or failed to report it.

The difference being that TTR and, if "social media" is anything to go by, many others, want a public inquiry into it.

Many others, myself and, I believe rA, are of the opinion that we are talking about possible criminal offences and that it should be the police who investigate, not another inquiry. If we take Rotherham, for example, it certainly shouldn't be Yorkshire police doing the investigating due to possible conflicts of interest. Another force should do the investigating.

There's no difference in the WHAT as far as I can see, it's the HOW where there are differences.

Yours etc.
(Hopefully) the voice of reason.

Perfectly put, MA.

As for being blinkered, Tricky. I prefer selective and in any further investigations I won’t be listening to someone who has built a lucrative TV career out of poverty po rn or a discredited former MP who’s own behaviour you really need to check out.

[SithHappens]

I agree too. Anyone complicit, negligent or guilty of cover up should face action, if that includes Kier Starmer so be it, but i doubt he was. Indeed wasn't he commended for his involvement.

My concern is that people, such as musk, farage, Badenoch are only using this for their own ends and not for the right reason.

On another matter. Trump and his comments refusing to rule out military action over Greenland. Dangerous comments no? I doubt it would happen but would the world be as keen to implement sanctions on the US like we have with Russia?

[MadAmster]

I agree too. Anyone complicit, negligent or guilty of cover up should face action, if that includes Kier Starmer so be it, but i doubt he was. Indeed wasn't he commended for his involvement.

My concern is that people, such as musk, farage, Badenoch are only using this for their own ends and not for the right reason.

On another matter. Trump and his comments refusing to rule out military action over Greenland. Dangerous comments no? I doubt it would happen but would the world be as keen to implement sanctions on the US like we have with Russia?

We should but I very much doubt we would.

[SithHappens]

We should but I very much doubt we would.

Yeah I agree.

I think it's outrageous he's even using language like it. It mirrors putin very much.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Yeah I agree.

I think it's outrageous he's even using language like it. It mirrors putin very much.

Three words - "rare earth metals". Lots likely to be in Greenland. Currently biggest producer is China, and trade war looms there. It is ironic that Trump might be looking at Greenland for green tech reasons, given that it might take more global warming to melt the ice to enable access to these resources.

Also likely to be lots of oil

[Trickytreesreds]

I think we might be able to put this to bed now. To sum up...

TTR thinks those involved in the grooming/rape should be investigated and, where there's sufficient evidence, arrested, charged, brought to trial and, if found guilty, dealt with severely.

Everybody else on here agrees.

The same goes, as far as I can see, for anybody that either covered anything up, helped with a cover up or failed to report it.

The difference being that TTR and, if "social media" is anything to go by, many others, want a public inquiry into it.

Many others, myself and, I believe rA, are of the opinion that we are talking about possible criminal offences and that it should be the police who investigate, not another inquiry. If we take Rotherham, for example, it certainly shouldn't be Yorkshire police doing the investigating due to possible conflicts of interest. Another force should do the investigating.

There's no difference in the WHAT as far as I can see, it's the HOW where there are differences.

Yours etc.
(Hopefully) the voice of reason.

in an ideal world yes. But coppers piss in the same pot.
Their leaders converse with the governments. If you believe they will incriminate themselves, then I'm sorry to disappoint you. We have had enough police lies in the last few years to last a lifetime.
Perhaps the Hillsborough disaster went over your head? They swore blind they'd done nothing wrong.

Do me a favour and listen to this guys opinion, as it mirrors my own. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1Bc0l8R5ow

Yes everyone is horrified at the horror and abuse these girls suffered. Yes we all want the perpetrators brought to justice.
Yet the last report, was so wide of the mark in nailing down the failures / lies/ people responsible that an indepenent panel is required. This why Starmer and his government are ****ting it and many who failed to act in the Tories.

Do not underestimate public anger at what labour have just done. He has probably just unified more white voters away from Labour.

[Geoff Parkstone]

2 birds, one stone:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DElOyHxpgZ3/?igsh=MTh3dThka3J5cTd1

[swaledale]

I do laugh when a claim is made about a group of people with no evidence, but then that's the way of the conspiracy theorists today. Those politicians and the bonkers owner of X should hang their heads in shame for the way they ahve spread misinformation, lies and frankly completely unhelpful statements on this issue with no regard to the victims.

Quite how Starmer is ****ting himself is a puzzle, he has, IMO been quite clear and robust on this issue, not to mention having a good track record of having actually implemented procedures and actions as DPP that actually locked up the perpetrators.

As for the bile being directed at jess Phillips, whatever ones political views, its very hard to argue that she hasn't spent a lot of time and effort over the years in getting action on those who commit such offences against women and children.

A couple of points, the recommendations of the last enquiry weren't implemented by the Tories, Labour should ensure they are.

Expert opinion seems to indicate that local enquiries as per the Telford enquiry have been effective and robust, the age old problem of those in power not acting on the recommendations is the issue. IF Starmer is true to his word, then action now is what's required to ensure that recommendations are implemented as quickly as possible.

[SithHappens]

People have been making stuff about starmer ever since the election. No he's not ****ting himself, he's handling it well i think.

Loads of people saying ever since the election , I'll give him a year, they are still saying, I'll give him a year. They will still be saying the same this time next year.

All those rumours on X, people claiming big news coming out about him, never happened, just a load of old tosh too.

I'm no fan of starmer, but apart from the odd gaffe (I mean even the most died in the wool labour supporter must have face palmed over sausages), i think he's had a decent first 6 months, yes I think WFA removal was done wrong, but not all decisions will be popular or agreed with.

Meanwhile Farage sees local councillors quiting because of his leadership. Perhaps seeing his sucking up to musk to try and get him back onside is too much for them.

[Andy_Faber]

People have been making stuff about starmer ever since the election. No he's not ****ting himself, he's handling it well i think.

Loads of people saying ever since the election , I'll give him a year, they are still saying, I'll give him a year. They will still be saying the same this time next year.

All those rumours on X, people claiming big news coming out about him, never happened, just a load of old tosh too.

I'm no fan of starmer, but apart from the odd gaffe (I mean even the most died in the wool labour supporter must have face palmed over sausages), i think he's had a decent first 6 months, yes I think WFA removal was done wrong, but not all decisions will be popular or agreed with.

Meanwhile Farage sees local councillors quiting because of his leadership. Perhaps seeing his sucking up to musk to try and get him back onside is too much for them.

Its amusing seeing the dynamics at play, almost all roles (including from those entrenched souls on this forum) have been reversed, but as far as I can see the big decisions made (WFA, Farmers IHT, no grooming inquiry) are more 'politically' wrong than actually wrong. I see Starmer a bit like Warne, difficult to warm too, has a difficult job to do with limited resources, deserves all or most of the contracted period to achieve relative success, blah blah.

[ramAnag]

People have been making stuff about starmer ever since the election. No he's not ****ting himself, he's handling it well i think.

Loads of people saying ever since the election , I'll give him a year, they are still saying, I'll give him a year. They will still be saying the same this time next year.

All those rumours on X, people claiming big news coming out about him, never happened, just a load of old tosh too.

I think you’ve touched on one of the biggest problems we’re likely to face over the coming years, Sith…the impact of social media.

I caught a little bit of Ian Hislop on the radio this morning saying how bizarre it is that people are now saying they mistrust the mainstream media but are quite prepared to believe what they read on X etc.

Without wishing to reignite any previous spats we see it on here, where people claim things that can’t be substantiated or are just purposefully untrue. It’s the modern day equivalent of ‘I heard a bloke down the pub saying…’ only much more organised, far reaching and actually orchestrated by the likes of Trump and Musk etc.

Like you I’m still waiting for that big news we’ve been promised for a while now. You’d think if it’s that big and of such consequence we’d have heard it by now.

[Ramshank72]

Ian Hislop saying that is like Ronald MacDonald finding it bizarre that people don't trust the meat in his burgers, but are quite happy to trust the meat in a Greggs sausage roll. Some of us don't trust either, and regret it when we do take a curious nibble.

[ramAnag]

Ian Hislop saying that is like Ronald MacDonald finding it bizarre that people don't trust the meat in his burgers, but are quite happy to trust the meat in a Greggs sausage roll. Some of us don't trust either, and regret it when we do take a curious nibble.

Ha,ha. Nice analogy, although personally I do like Hislop.

[Andy_Faber]

Ian Hislop saying that is like Ronald MacDonald finding it bizarre that people don't trust the meat in his burgers, but are quite happy to trust the meat in a Greggs sausage roll. Some of us don't trust either, and regret it when we do take a curious nibble.

More insightful than most of the previous 100,000 words on this thread. You should put some of your utterances to music

[Trickytreesreds]

People have been making stuff about starmer ever since the election. No he's not ****ting himself, he's handling it well i think.

Loads of people saying ever since the election , I'll give him a year, they are still saying, I'll give him a year. They will still be saying the same this time next year.

All those rumours on X, people claiming big news coming out about him, never happened, just a load of old tosh too.

I'm no fan of starmer, but apart from the odd gaffe (I mean even the most died in the wool labour supporter must have face palmed over sausages), i think he's had a decent first 6 months, yes I think WFA removal was done wrong, but not all decisions will be popular or agreed with.

Meanwhile Farage sees local councillors quiting because of his leadership. Perhaps seeing his sucking up to musk to try and get him back onside is too much for them.

errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrm has it escaped you, that a lot more councillors have resigned because of Starmers leadership than reform?
Close to home as well, Amber valley


The reform councillors who quit, were appointed by the local leader without vetting and were under investigation. Rules are rules.
Dog whistled you was, as Yoda will say