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[MadAmster]

China - dictatorship. Russia - dictatorship.

USA is, IMO, not far behind with this megalomaniac in control.

[ramAnag]

Regrettably I don?t think his actions are careless using the usual definition, but they are being done without caring about what ?people? think which I guess is another form of carelessness. What he?s doing is certainly quite deliberate

IMO if he continues down the line of appeasing Russia, China will occupy Taiwan knowing it?s ?just A transaction?, the ostracising of Russia will disintegrate and the new world order will see UK and EU in the political equivalent of League 1

All aided and abetted by those who have sought to destroy the concept of a united Europe.
I think the only aspect of the Brexit argument that ever made any sort of sense was the desire to avoid a USoEU. Seems quite desirable right now.

Agent Farage…you have been busy.

[Geoff Parkstone]

USE may seem desirable to you now as but I don't ever recall you being opposed to it. To me it's not something I'm in favour of, although elements of common policy are more desirable in face of the big 3 flexing their muscles

[Geoff Parkstone]

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......and the new world order will see UK and EU in the political equivalent of League 1

Ah good, promotion

[MadAmster]

Never wanted a USE and still don't, despite living in a country that would welcome it with open arms.

[Andy_Faber]

All aided and abetted by those who have sought to destroy the concept of a united Europe.
I think the only aspect of the Brexit argument that ever made any sort of sense was the desire to avoid a USoEU. Seems quite desirable right now.

Agent Farage?you have been busy.

There was no chance with or without Brexit, most EU countries will do their own thing when push comes to shove, which it is doing

UK Might actually see a genuine Brexit Dividend depending on how much sucking up Starmer does

[ramAnag]

Never wanted a USE and still don't, despite living in a country that would welcome it with open arms.

Your reluctance is, or at least was, understandable and is, imo, the only intelligent pro Brexit response, however at a time when we may have to respond to possible Russian/Chinese/North Korean ‘hostility’ it seems particularly desirable to me that the European element of NATO is united.

This was always a strong argument in favour of the EEC/EU and at a moment in history when there is such disagreement within the NATO alliance (USA at odds with both Canada and Europe) it seems ever more important imo.

[SithHappens]

Wow, Trump clearly siding with Putin. Is putting the blame at Zelenskys door, blaming him for millions of deaths and calling him a dictator.

[Andy_Faber]

Wow, Trump clearly siding with Putin. Is putting the blame at Zelenskys door, blaming him for millions of deaths and calling him a dictator.

Of course no-one has to take any notice of any 'peace' deal brokered by Trump. But it may be approaching the time to see if 'Europe' has a backbone. My guess is not but we'll see

[SithHappens]

Of course no-one has to take any notice of any 'peace' deal brokered by Trump. But it may be approaching the time to see if 'Europe' has a backbone. My guess is not but we'll see

I think there will be lots of hard words from Europe including the UK but that will be it, ultimately if you have Putin and Trump aligned in any peace deal I'm not sure Europe will get in the way, I think maybe a few concessions thrown Europes way as part of any deal just to keep them onside.

One thing I feel certain about, we were questioning if Trump would live to see the next election, I feel sure hes going to out live Zelensky.

[MadAmster]

Wow, Trump clearly siding with Putin. Is putting the blame at Zelenskys door, blaming him for millions of deaths and calling him a dictator.

Pre the US elections, I said, in a discussion on another platform, that I hoped Trump didn't get in, I might have also posted it on here too but can't be bothered to check. My reasoning was based on his apparent liking of Putin that he'd commented on previously. I said that Trump would be Putin's bitch and cave in, giving him all he wants. Fast forward to today and what is happening? Before negotiations have even started, Trump has said: a) no NATO membership for Ukraine b) no return to pre 2014 boundaries, so no giving back of occupied land c) he's blaming Ukraine for starting the war d) he says Zelensky is an unelected dictator (you could argue the unelected bit if you're pedantic as his term in office should have ended in May 2024 but nobody is going to have an election when you are fighting to save what's left of your country).

When I find the discussions on the other platform, I will most certainly be posting "I told you so"

[ramAnag]

I think there will be lots of hard words from Europe including the UK but that will be it, ultimately if you have Putin and Trump aligned in any peace deal I'm not sure Europe will get in the way, I think maybe a few concessions thrown Europes way as part of any deal just to keep them onside.

One thing I feel certain about, we were questioning if Trump would live to see the next election, I feel sure hes going to out live Zelensky.

Amongst all the doom and gloom let’s not forget that, thankfully, Trump doesn’t really have four years.
It’s less than two years to the mid term elections in 2026 which will most likely see his power diluted. The balance of power is quite likely to change by then and, despite concerns to the contrary, the Republicans are likely to be preoccupied from then on with who will be their next Presidential candidate.
At the moment he is at his most powerful (and dangerous) but the US system does provide constraints.

[swaledale]

Well most sentient people knew Trump basically talks *******s but his latest utterings ae clearly those of a deranged or senile old man. Unfortunately this deranged senile old bloke is currently "in charge" of one of the most powerful nations in the world, still I guess we will get on fine with the Chinese!!

[Trickytreesreds]

Well most sentient people knew Trump basically talks *******s but his latest utterings ae clearly those of a deranged or senile old man. Unfortunately this deranged senile old bloke is currently "in charge" of one of the most powerful nations in the world, still I guess we will get on fine with the Chinese!!

You're right. The last one was a senile, blubbering idiot as well, who didn't even know the pathway back to the white house either.
For now, this one doesn't have a minder chasing him across the lawn before he gets lost. But some folks said Biden was a lot safer

[ramAnag]

You're right. The last one was a senile, blubbering idiot as well, who didn't even know the pathway back to the white house either.
For now, this one doesn't have a minder chasing him across the lawn before he gets lost. But some folks said Biden was a lot safer

Lol…yep, the last one occasionally got names mixed up and was clearly suffering from an age related condition, but at least he knew who the dictator was and who started the war.
Neither fit for office, but at least Biden didn’t come across as a power crazed sociopath who regularly contradicts himself.