Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

I wasn?t including you, in fact you?ve picked appropriate subjects to spar with TTR on and I wish I?d been able to convince you I was on your side in respect of the most recent spat. I agree with GP though, others here just disagree with TTR because it?s TTR

Nope I dislike him because of his overt racism, xenophobia and generally parroting of the ****e and lies pushed out by dubious internet and media sources. Once someone starts repeating lies as facts then it goes beyond a difference of opinion, its a demonstration of someone not engaged with reality. I have no need to waste my time on such people.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Well that should bring an end to most political debate on here then. One person expressing a view. Those who most vitriolically disagree with him not responding as they are ignoring it. At the very least there will be an end to the bemoaning of the tight wing press, as those who most object to such won't have any need to use their own bias to knock TTR down.

Happy days then maybe. Outwardly, peace may descend on the forum although the apparent status quo of opinion will not truly reflect people's real opinions.

[SithHappens]

I think we need to keep the thread going, important elections coming up. And i think it's ok for others to be involved if there is a 'spat'. It's a public forum so any posts are open for comments by others.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I think we need to keep the thread going, important elections coming up. And i think it's ok for others to be involved if there is a 'spat'. It's a public forum so any posts are open for comments by others.

Yeah but there won't be much debate when 3 of the most opinionated political posters on here are ignoring the other one!! But we will see how long that lasts

[ramAnag]

Yeah but there won't be much debate when 3 of the most opinionated political posters on here are ignoring the other one!! But we will see how long that lasts

GP, I think we can all recall a number of occasions when you’ve taken the hump or felt wronged and stropped off saying you won’t return until someone has apologised or withdrawn a certain comment.

To his credit Sith didn’t do that. He simply asked for a) clarification and b) a retraction. Now without ratcheting up the whole thing all over again I’d like to ask you a simple question.

In post number 3017 of this thread do you think TTR suggested/implied that Sith wanted to ‘trash Jews’ and was even part of a larger group of people who wanted to behave in that way?

Yes or No?

[Andy_Faber]

And I'll just add one thing, as it was me that rA was directing his anger at in recent posts

In post 3017, TTR suggested/implied something regarding Sith

In a later post from Sith, and many others from rA,the suggestion/implication had become a statement of fact ('saying')

There is a difference in definition and in law between implication and statement. I asked for an apology from TTR 'in general' for his tone, NOT for what he said, simply because he didn?t say it. In more litigious situations than our own 'tin pot forum' (copyright rA), TTR could have sued Sith and me (if I'd so accused him) and probably won

rA's most recent post now categorises TTR's outburst, correctly, as a suggestion/implication. So now we agree.

The issue of apologising isn't worth pursuing, the precedent of not apologising has been set and endorsed on both sides here many times, it's just the way it is.

I will however apologise to Madeline Bell for my comment the other day as she is still extant

End of from my POV and if the learned party here, GP, disagrees I'll accept

[SithHappens]

[Geoff Parkstone]

GP, I think we can all recall a number of occasions when you’ve taken the hump or felt wronged and stropped off saying you won’t return until someone has apologised or withdrawn a certain comment.

To his credit Sith didn’t do that. He simply asked for a) clarification and b) a retraction. Now without ratcheting up the whole thing all over again I’d like to ask you a simple question.

In post number 3017 of this thread do you think TTR suggested/implied that Sith wanted to ‘trash Jews’ and was even part of a larger group of people who wanted to behave in that way?

Yes or No?

I don't have post numbers on my phone, so I'm not going to find it easily, but I've never questioned the interpretation of the posts concerned. No reason th start now. But once again, why dig it up for its daily wringing of hands and further airing?

[ramAnag]

I don't have post numbers on my phone, so I'm not going to find it easily, but I've never questioned the interpretation of the posts concerned. No reason th start now. But once again, why dig it up for its daily wringing of hands and further airing?

I didn’t. But if you’re not questioning it there’s a reason for that.

[ramAnag]

And I'll just add one thing, as it was me that rA was directing his anger at in recent posts

In post 3017, TTR suggested/implied something regarding Sith

In a later post from Sith, and many others from rA,the suggestion/implication had become a statement of fact ('saying')

There is a difference in definition and in law between implication and statement. I asked for an apology from TTR 'in general' for his tone, NOT for what he said, simply because he didn?t say it. In more litigious situations than our own 'tin pot forum' (copyright rA), TTR could have sued Sith and me (if I'd so accused him) and probably won

rA's most recent post now categorises TTR's outburst, correctly, as a suggestion/implication. So now we agree.

The issue of apologising isn't worth pursuing, the precedent of not apologising has been set and endorsed on both sides here many times, it's just the way it is.

I will however apologise to Madeline Bell for my comment the other day as she is still extant

End of from my POV and if the learned party here, GP, disagrees I'll accept

Sorry AF, but you do appear to have lost the plot on this one.

To suggest that Sith is somehow in the wrong is ludicrous and to try and deny that TTR suggested that Sith would want to ‘trash Jews’ similarly so.

Neither did I use the phrase ‘tin pot forum’ which you’ve made up. I described it as an ‘infinitely less significant little forum’ in comparison with some of today’s more major political ‘players’.

I think Sith is about the only person to have joined the forum under your ‘management’. He seems a very well balanced and moderate individual to me who is clearly upset at both the initial allegation and your handling of this whole issue. Time to sort it out and put things right.

[Andy_Faber]

Neither did I use the phrase ‘tin pot forum’ which you’ve made up.

Another of your diverting tactics exposed. Attempting to demean my comments, recollections and anecdotes by saying or suggesting I 'made it up' has got beyond tiresome and just shows you up in a bad light.

In post 2396, 4.45pm on 7th January, where you were struggling with mathematical concepts rather than language, you vented your frustration by describing this forum as a 'tin pot forum'.

Edit: And that's me done, this spat has got embarrassing to the outsider, I'll say no more. And if you do your normal thing, have the last word and claim victory in so doing, so be it

[ramAnag]

Another of your diverting tactics exposed. Attempting to demean my comments, recollections and anecdotes by saying or suggesting I 'made it up' has got beyond tiresome and just shows you up in a bad light.

In post 2396, 4.45pm on 7th January, where you were struggling with mathematical concepts rather than language, you vented your frustration by describing this forum as a 'tin pot forum'.

Well if that’s correct, I apologise. (You see it’s that easy.)

Hardly a ‘diverting tactic’ though. For some reason I supposed we were concerned with today’s discussion, not something written three plus months ago.

Perhaps if you paid the same attention to what’s been going on over the last week or so as you have to dredging up a comment (not entirely unfounded as things have transpired) from the beginning of the year we might see some progress.

P.S. Just read the post concerned. Not sure I was ‘struggling with mathematical concepts’ as you suggest and the post was actually more about TTR’s distortion of the truth…again! Just sayin’.

[swaledale]

Yeah but there won't be much debate when 3 of the most opinionated political posters on here are ignoring the other one!! But we will see how long that lasts

The only poster people have indicated they wont engage with is the dim red one. Given its not his opinions he spouts but those he gleans from the internet, its hardly going to stifle debate is it?

In matter of fact its likely to enhance the debate since those being engaged with are people who at least have their own opinions and no time will be wasted with one poster who just parrots utter tripe all the time and the Forum will be pleasanter, because the overt racism, xenophobia and bigotry will no longer be engaged with.

Now there are posters who covertly express similar opinions but at least they ahve a veneer of civility when doing so and aren't rushing on here to desperately post whatever they have read on some right wing ****wits social media or other internet source.

I find my involvement in this Forum all the more pleasant by ignoring and not engaging with the dim red ones posts. others will find the same should they choose to do so, if they wish to waste their time arguing with the dipstick, fair do's its their time to waste.

[Geoff Parkstone]

The only poster people have indicated they wont engage with is the dim red one. Given its not his opinions he spouts but those he gleans from the internet, its hardly going to stifle debate is it?

In matter of fact its likely to enhance the debate since those being engaged with are people who at least have their own opinions and no time will be wasted with one poster who just parrots utter tripe all the time and the Forum will be pleasanter, because the overt racism, xenophobia and bigotry will no longer be engaged with.

Now there are posters who covertly express similar opinions but at least they ahve a veneer of civility when doing so and aren't rushing on here to desperately post whatever they have read on some right wing ****wits social media or other internet source.

I find my involvement in this Forum all the more pleasant by ignoring and not engaging with the dim red ones posts. others will find the same should they choose to do so, if they wish to waste their time arguing with the dipstick, fair do's its their time to waste.

We shall see, but with no-one representing the right, I suspect the debate will merely become a number of left of centre luvvies just agreeing with one another. maybe someone will have to step up in Tricky's place. Sink the boats.....

[swaledale]

No you owe me an apology, why say I trash jews?

And Andy, why haven't you pulled him up on this?

The problem here Sith is that the dim red one, doesn't actually have any evidence to support his views, he is merely repeating verbatim what he reads or hears on right wing forums and dodgy internet sites! Best policy put him on ignore, you'll miss nothing and have a peaceful existence.