Election Year or Fear!

[Geoff Parkstone]

perhaps it was the Humphreys (for those with long memories)

[Andy_Faber]

perhaps it was the Humphreys (for those with long memories)

You got me there. The Les Humphries Singers perchance?

[SithHappens]

Tory MP Danny Kruger defects to Reform. Says he won't call a by-election. Both Farage and Lee Anderson have called for by-elections to be run in the past if an MP defects.

So they surely have to make him call one or reject his application to join Reform?

[ramAnag]

You got me there. The Les Humphries Singers perchance?

I’m guessing either Hubert Humphrey, or the original Unigate milk snatcher (watch out, watch out etc) or its meaning - Peaceful Warrior.

Either way, doubt the murder of an extremist broadcaster by another probable extremist is going to resonate in the same way as JFK’s killing did 62 years ago.

[ramAnag]

Tory MP Danny Kruger defects to Reform. Says he won't call a by-election. Both Farage and Lee Anderson have called for by-elections to be run in the past if an MP defects.

So they surely have to make him call one or reject his application to join Reform?

At the risk of agreeing with Farage and Anderson - first (and probably only time) for everything - it should surely be mandatory for any MP who defects to another party to have to seek immediate re-election on the grounds that he/she is no longer representing the majority who elected him.

[Andy_Faber]

I’m guessing either Hubert Humphrey, or the original Unigate milk snatcher (watch out, watch out etc) or its meaning - Peaceful Warrior.

Either way, doubt the killing of an extremist broadcaster by another probable extremist is going to resonate in the same way as JKK’s assassination did 62 years ago.

I thought Hubert but our returning agitator will have to clarify

Regarding JFK v CK, only time will tell IMO, the difference is how the world is now connected. One thing that's shocked me is the number of members of the (US) education cohort who have (really stupidly/naively) openly expressed their hatred of CK, many of whom are now or who will soon be looking for alternative employment. I'll correct myself, its either stupidity/naivety or a determination to stand up for their principles.

[Andy_Faber]

At the risk of agreeing with Farage and Anderson - first (and probably only time) for everything - it should surely be mandatory for any MP who defects to another party to have to seek immediate re-election on the grounds that he/she is no longer representing the majority who elected him.

Depends if they are voting for the party or the person (eg Jeremy Corbyn,notable others)

[SithHappens]

At the risk of agreeing with Farage and Anderson - first (and probably only time) for everything - it should surely be mandatory for any MP who defects to another party to have to seek immediate re-election on the grounds that he/she is no longer representing the majority who elected him.

Oh I agree. My point in this is they seem to be ignoring their prior statements as he has gone on record confirming he won't be calling one.

[SithHappens]

Depends if they are voting for the party or the person (eg Jeremy Corbyn,notable others)

How do you prove it though? Corbyn is a good example but say he defected to the Conservatives or Reform (unlikely I know) would his supporters be happy with that? I can't imagine it.

[Geoff Parkstone]

At the risk of agreeing with Farage and Anderson - first (and probably only time) for everything - it should surely be mandatory for any MP who defects to another party to have to seek immediate re-election on the grounds that he/she is no longer representing the majority who elected him.

I agree that any MP who no longer represents the majority who elected them should call for a replacement election. Thus thedefector in this case sho have a rerun (which in the current environment they would likely win anyway). On the same basis Starmer should call for a new general election "on the grounds that he/she is no longer representing the majority who elected him/her."

The reference was indeed to the Unigate strawsuckers, well known makers off with the property of others

[swaledale]

…specifically that Swale has learned the art of cutting and pasting and hasn’t included the context of any of it - please find the quotes for yourself in context, you may agree with some and disagree with some, like most people, but make your own mind up

I joked last week about Swale calling rA’s grass a Nazi but it’s getting to that stage, anyone who disagrees with him is a Nazi and it’s straight out of the far left playbook, depressingly predictable

The point is those are just some of his sayings. As for quoting the hideous fascist out of context, well you had your chance to explain what part of his message you agreed with and why and declined to do so.

Kirk was a far right, white supremacist, evangelical right wing "christian", (a form of christianity that frankly most people who lay claim to that faith would disagree with)whose main out put was xenophobic, racist, encouraged violence and an avid Trump supporter. He is a prime example of a fascist, peddling fascist propaganda and making a good living out of it, funded by the fools who believe this rubbish.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck then its basically a duck. However if you find the label "Nazi" or Fascist disturbing, that rather confirms what I have said before, you are rather more right wing than I thought. But then given your infamous "There are too many people from ethnic backgrounds in the media, which does not represent the world you live in" comment, why I am I surprised?

Your incorrect in saying I call anyone a who I disagree with a Nazi, I've disagreed with many on here and not labelled them as such, however I do know what a fascist looks and sounds like and I also know that part of the agenda is to latch onto subjects that may well be of concern to most people and then completely misrepresent the actual issue in a very nasty and vicious manner. I have disagreed with many people of a left wing bent as I have those on the right, but your correct in that I abhor fascists. especially those who lend support to them or spread such views.

Its rather interesting, that having avowed not to respond to my posts, you are quick to pop up and defend Kirk! Now why would that be I wonder?

[Geoff Parkstone]

"One thing that's shocked me is the number of members of the (US) education cohort who have (really stupidly/naively) openly expressed their hatred of CK,"

Why on earth would that surprise you. That cohort is always bolshie and gobby

Personally I'd never heard of him before he was shot, so cannot really express any comment beyond the senseless waste of a human life. I cartainly wont be regaling in his death or for that matter grieving. I suppose it points to the dangers of ccreating yourself into a social media icon as I am informed he was.

At least there hasnt been a WLM George Floyd like reaction in the strreets of Orem. Probably not enough shops to burn and loot...the Target store at 175 West Center Street is soooooo small and so few consumer electronic goods on offer

[ramAnag]

On the same basis Starmer should call for a new general election "on the grounds that he/she is no longer representing the majority who elected him/her."

I thought that might be your response. For the sake of context can we remember that Starmer has been in office for a little over 14 months.
Prior to that we had 14 YEARS of **** ups and failure to deal with the crisis that the Right now seek to make political capital from on a daily basis.
I don’t think he’s got everything right. I do think mistakes have been made, but c’mon, 14 months v 14 years and a self serving loon on the sidelines with no answers at all!

[SithHappens]

Why isn't Starmer representing those that voted him in?

[Geoff Parkstone]

Two wrongs dont make a right.

I agree that the Tories were a stale, amoral and ineffective government for many of those 14 years, under May, that other woman who made Lady Jane Grey look enduring and Johnson in particular, but any hope of Starmer bringing fresh enthhusiasm and ideas to the role have long gone in my view.

His promises have been shattered in short order and the opinion polls (yes I know they are clearly far right wing orchestrated and so false,Obergruppenfuhrer Swale) say it all. I dont recall anyone who has lost the confidence of a country in such short order. He has lost all credibility and comes over as a weak leader. His appointment of Lammy as deputy merely is a protective move that demonstrates his own lack of self belief - a bit like Nixon appointing Ford as VP: "they wont impeach me if thats whats to follow"