Election Year or Fear!

[ramAnag]

Here we go again.....

No we don’t, GP. Takes two and I’m not playing, other than to say, if AF really can’t remember his tall stories about out of date passports and flags (in Etwall?) being exposed, by his own eventual admission, as grossly exaggerated, then he has a problem, because I’m sure everyone else can.
Imo, he’s also been corrected on many occasions via Swale’s better informed accounts, however I accept that’s just my interpretation. Imo also, Sith’s comments about the impact of the younger vote in Caerphilly were well founded and valid.
Either way, I’m not going to enter into an argument which is boringly repetitive and futile and will only lead to others being pissed off and the two of us being justifiably chastised by mac.

[Andy_Faber]

Here we go again.....

No we won?t or at least I won?t, I?m not desperate for the last word and any there?s no point in arguing with someone who?s response to every question is, in summary, ?because Swale says so?

[SithHappens]

I think even the most ardent reform voters would struggle to defend these comments from pochin surely? https://x.com/TalkTV/status/1982022665226317912

If they do they are as racist as she is

[ramAnag]

I think even the most ardent reform voters would struggle to defend these comments from pochin surely? https://x.com/TalkTV/status/1982022665226317912

If they do they are as racist as she is

I doubt they would, Sith, but I agree…an atrocious, irresponsible and, above all, unbelievably stupid comment which I note she has since been falling over herself to apologise for.

People apologise for mistakes. This was no mistake, it was an ill judged remark which, as you imply, exposed her for the racist she is.

[SithHappens]

I doubt they would, Sith, but I agree…an atrocious, irresponsible and, above all, unbelievably stupid comment which I note she has since been falling over herself to apologise for.

People apologise for mistakes. This was no mistake, it was an ill judged remark which, as you imply, exposed her for the racist she is.

Can you imagine how much media coverage it would get if it was say Angela Rayner who had said it?

Likewise with Farages openly misogynistic attitude last weekly if it had been starmer.

But not a peep.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Really rather stupid comments but would be interesting to see how the numbers stack up. I can just about remember in the 60's seeing only white faces in TV advertising which was also unrepresentative of a then evolving diverse community. I don't recall any furore when that disconnect was pointed out. But I was only ickle.

All ethnicities should be proportionately represented in wider society, and pulling out the race card when it is a white person complaining is equally wrong. I don't know the stats and therefore whether her comments were mathematically accurate, but she at least has the right to question it.

[Andy_Faber]

Really rather stupid comments but would be interesting to see how the numbers stack up. I can just about remember in the 60's seeing only white faces in TV advertising which was also unrepresentative of a then evolving diverse community. I don't recall any furore when that disconnect was pointed out. But I was only ickle.

All ethnicities should be proportionately represented in wider society, and pulling out the race card when it is a white person complaining is equally wrong. I don't know the stats and therefore whether her comments were mathematically accurate, but she at least has the right to question it.

Rather than listen to what might turn into the usual entrenched positions being excavated here, type ‘ Are non-whites over represented in uk tv adverts’ into Deepseek, which has no bias that I’m aware of

[SithHappens]

I don't have an issue with intelligently articulated arguments. To be honest i don't really watch adverts and even if i did i can't imagine a disproportionate number of black, white, Asian characters riling me up that much.

But if the numbers are disproportionate then it's how you approach the argument that's key.

Hers was nothing but a racist rant. If she's not capable of articulating such arguments in the appropriate manner she should be nowhere near parliament.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I don't have an issue with intelligently articulated arguments. To be honest i don't really watch adverts and even if i did i can't imagine a disproportionate number of black, white, Asian characters riling me up that much.

But if the numbers are disproportionate then it's how you approach the argument that's key.

Hers was nothing but a racist rant. If she's not capable of articulating such arguments in the appropriate manner she should be nowhere near parliament.

Id say that rules out 95% of existing MP's (I hate to mention Dianna Abbot again), but I agree - it's not always what you say but how you say it that offends.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Rather than listen to what might turn into the usual entrenched positions being excavated here, type ‘ Are non-whites over represented in uk tv adverts’ into Deepseek, which has no bias that I’m aware of

I did, very interesting. But we had better await the judgement of rA's trusted AI, deepSwale 😄

[ramAnag]

I did, very interesting. But we had better await the judgement of rA's trusted AI, deepSwale ��

Jeez, GP, for someone who claims to dislike antagonism on here you don’t half try to stir things up.

For the record, and taking into account that you and your mate the moderator specialise in deliberate misinterpretation and subsequent misrepresentation, what I said was that, imo, both Swale and I have exposed some of AF’s fallacies on a number of occasions.

Everyone on here knows that Swale and I tend to agree where politics is concerned, as I do with two or three others. Equally most on here may recall Swale and I having a couple of spectacular disagreements where football is concerned.

I know you currently feel the need to tiresomely criticise absolutely anything I write and rush to AF’s aid, like the class creep, whenever he is challenged, but I don’t need Swale’s approval anymore than he needs mine and I certainly don’t depend on his opinion, or anyone else’s, in order to form my own.

Now may I suggest you run along, put that big wooden spoon of yours away with the rest of your toys and begin to contribute like an adult.

[ramAnag]

Id say that rules out 95% of existing MP's (I hate to mention Dianna Abbot again), but I agree - it's not always what you say but how you say it that offends.

In this case, GP, it was very much a case of what Sarah Pochin said. You may wish to consider her exact words which were, ‘It drives me mad when I see adverts full of black people, full of Asian people.’

Like Sith I don’t actually know what she’s referring to as adverts are usually something I try and avoid and usually just FF through, but for the life of me I can’t see how that isn’t a racist comment. Perhaps you can and I’d genuinely love you to explain.

Of course she is entitled to say how she feels, as are those of us who are offended by her comments entitled to describe her as a stupid, racist woman who has said something entirely inappropriate and deliberately divisive in her role as an MP.

Surely in 2025 most intelligent folk have reached a stage where they can look past the colour of someone’s skin without being ‘driven mad’ or having to work out the quotas of people on TV, in the media, in government or in sports teams. It just doesn’t matter.

[Andy_Faber]

Surely in 2025 most intelligent folk have reached a stage where they can look past the colour of someone?s skin without being ?driven mad? or having to work out the quotas of people on TV, in the media, in government or in sports teams. It just doesn?t matter.

If you choose to ignore adverts you can?t really have a view on whether you would be ?driven mad? or express any other emotion can you

And I think you?ll find ?it? does or will matter. You won?t be surprised that as member of a populist political party she has merely picked up on a public sentiment, reflected by the massive majority of comments on social media today agreeing with her. And yes, social media DOES provide a guide, regardless of your personal use of it or not.

And At the same time, quotas appear to matter to non-whites, one example being given air time on Tv as recently as this morning, a laudable initiative but for certain a quota

[SithHappens]

Bit confusing though. Reform and certain Tories sell their politics on the basis Britain is being over run with foreigners and the 'white brits' are ar risk of becoming the minority. Farage himself has made claims that he is scared when travelling on trains and can't hear a English voice. We are told schools up and down the country have no white children and hospitals are awash with health care professionals who can't speak English.

Now Pochin says it makes her mad seeing so many black and asian people on TV, they are now telling us the reason that's wrong is because white people overwhelmingly make up the majority of people living in Britain.

Which is it? I'm confused.

[ramAnag]

If you choose to ignore adverts you can?t really have a view on whether you would be ?driven mad? or express any other emotion can you

Daft comment. I usually try and avoid adverts so self evidently I can’t comment on the quality or otherwise of a particular advert. But that’s not what I’m doing is it? I’m commenting on the suggestion that Pochin claims to be offended by there being too many black or Asian people in adverts, because that is a fundamentally racist comment.

If I remember correctly - and I’ll apologise if I’m wrong - you have previously suggested that you too are offended by there being too many non white faces amongst the TV media, so it comes as no great surprise that you adopt the stance you do.