Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

Big yawn Swale, I never post anything and ignore push content, and look at a balanced portfolio of news sources and commentators (Billy Bragg, a very liberal commentator earlier today for instance) and the responses to them. Its noticeable recently, more than ever, that the liberal media and 'elite' seem to have one view and 'the people' another, maybe accounting for your bitterness. You should try looking at issues in the round some time instead of re-reading your own bile and dragging rA into your little giggles

Edit: please feel free to have the last word

Yeah you have a balanced view, mm which is why you make comments like "There are too many people from ethnic backgrounds on tv and the media" (I'm paraphrasing obvs)

Why you make dumb claims such as "96% of the responses on social media support Pochin's views" and constantly repeat themes that are pushed out by right wing media and commentators. Such as, oh yes "liberal media and "elite" and "the people".

Why you make comments such as "There is "good" bullying by Trump on matters such as DEI and Government Administration" yet seem unable to explain what "good bullying" is!

I mean even a reasonably sentient person, would be able to deduce that this concept of "the people" having one view is utterly false, one only has to delve deeper into the facts to understand that the concept is construct, mostly pushed by right wing billionaires (what are they in your world? The "people" or the "elite"?)

I've called you out, and comprehensively shown that your claims are either false, or without any supporting evidence, indeed, you tend to disappear in a huff or deflect when challenged or like the recent post, bluster when given an example where you have attacked something I have posted, based on your so called experience, which I was then able to prove I was right.

Now your resorting to posting lies, RA doesn't need my support, your statement was false, the evidence is on this Forum in many posts, but now we know your happy to stand by a clearly false statement, then that calls into question the credibility of anything you post. (Which is no surprise to me).

I recognise that your deluded, that you can't stand the fact that others on here, not just RA, often support a post I've made which challenges your narrow view of the world.

Bitter? How do you reach that conclusion, I just find you incredibly funny and sad, your more subtle than TTR, but your posts are still clearly founded on the BS pushed out and lacks any evidence of serious thought processes.

Lets face it, anybody who uses anecdotal evidence and what they have seen on FB as supporting evidence clearly has a very narrow point of view!

I might have a different point of view but at least I'm self aware enough to realise that there are many other different points of view out there and have no issue with people who are able to provide a reasoned, evidential argument as to why they hold an opinion.

On the other hand fools who just spout nonsense get short shrift. Yeah your entitled to an opinion, but if its based on BS. lies and falsehoods, its really not worth consideration is it?

The sheepeople, of which your clearly one, can vote for who they like, I don't spend much time worrying about it, if they lack the cognitive ability to wonder who is funding Farage and why, then they deserve what will happen as a result of their vote.

Anyway, enough, debating with an idiot is really not my idea of time well spent.

[Andy_Faber]

The Scotland rules on rent increases no longer exist.
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I stand corrected on that. My family member got that from her managing agent which I guess takes us back round full circle to the competency of estate agents!

[Andy_Faber]

Yeah you have a balanced view, mm which is why you make comments like "There are too many people from ethnic backgrounds on tv and the media" (I'm paraphrasing obvs)

Why you make dumb claims such as "96% of the responses on social media support Pochin's views" and constantly repeat themes that are pushed out by right wing media and commentators. Such as, oh yes "liberal media and "elite" and "the people".

Why you make comments such as "There is "good" bullying by Trump on matters such as DEI and Government Administration" yet seem unable to explain what "good bullying" is!

I mean even a reasonably sentient person, would be able to deduce that this concept of "the people" having one view is utterly false, one only has to delve deeper into the facts to understand that the concept is construct, mostly pushed by right wing billionaires (what are they in your world? The "people" or the "elite"?)

I've called you out, and comprehensively shown that your claims are either false, or without any supporting evidence, indeed, you tend to disappear in a huff or deflect when challenged or like the recent post, bluster when given an example where you have attacked something I have posted, based on your so called experience, which I was then able to prove I was right.

Now your resorting to posting lies, RA doesn't need my support, your statement was false, the evidence is on this Forum in many posts, but now we know your happy to stand by a clearly false statement, then that calls into question the credibility of anything you post. (Which is no surprise to me).

I recognise that your deluded, that you can't stand the fact that others on here, not just RA, often support a post I've made which challenges your narrow view of the world.

Bitter? How do you reach that conclusion, I just find you incredibly funny and sad, your more subtle than TTR, but your posts are still clearly founded on the BS pushed out and lacks any evidence of serious thought processes.

Lets face it, anybody who uses anecdotal evidence and what they have seen on FB as supporting evidence clearly has a very narrow point of view!

I might have a different point of view but at least I'm self aware enough to realise that there are many other different points of view out there and have no issue with people who are able to provide a reasoned, evidential argument as to why they hold an opinion.

On the other hand fools who just spout nonsense get short shrift. Yeah your entitled to an opinion, but if its based on BS. lies and falsehoods, its really not worth consideration is it?

The sheepeople, of which your clearly one, can vote for who they like, I don't spend much time worrying about it, if they lack the cognitive ability to wonder who is funding Farage and why, then they deserve what will happen as a result of their vote.

Anyway, enough, debating with an idiot is really not my idea of time well spent.

We?re aren?t debating Swale

[SithHappens]

I stand corrected on that. My family member got that from her managing agent which I guess takes us back round full circle to the competency of estate agents!

There was some legislation but it stopped in March. I think they have laws where it can be introduced if they want to.

[Andy_Faber]

There was some legislation but it stopped in March. I think they have laws where it can be introduced if they want to.

Thanks I?ll pass the message on

[swaledale]

We?re aren?t debating Swale

Ah I forgot, you have been reduced to (not so) clever digs and spurious unsupported comments these days!

[swaledale]

I see Farage is learning fast. Continues to contradict himself and gaslight his audience and voters.

Those fools who somehow think he stands by what he says, or assume he will do the things he said he would were shown to be mugs in his latest speech, where he mysteriously forgot about Reform’s manifesto pledges at the last election, apparently the promise to cut taxes were merely aspirations. Things he would quite like to do.

His main theme was that the country was basically ****ed. Largely because of Brexit. Odd then that he seems to have memory of being the main architect behind the Brexit vote. Of course he claims, that had he been involved he would have done it all differently. Deregulated everything and never traded with the EU ever again. Who needed the largest trading partner on our doorstep? For a politician demanding personal and fiscal responsibility, this was absolutely hilarious.

He is supposedly on the side of the average voter, then complains that the minimum wage is too high, WTF?

Then say she will cut the civil service, again without referring to the fact that it has increased in numbers because of the extra work created by Brexit, that used to be done in Brussels!

He also claimed that The current crop of Labour and Tory MPs were Professional politicians, the lot of them. I'd point out that Farage has been a professional politician for more than a quarter of a century. He has literally done nothing more than be a gob****e.

And people seriously thing this charlatan is the answer? Jeez!

[SithHappens]

He is the answer...

The thing is 'Whats the question?'

[Geoff Parkstone]

swale "His main theme was that the country was basically ****ed. Largely because of Brexit. Odd then that he seems to have memory of being the main architect behind the Brexit vote. Of course he claims, that had he been involved he would have done it all differently. Deregulated everything and never traded with the EU ever again...."

But isnt that what you've been saying for the last 5 years? Now when he says it you deride him. Cant win can he!

IMHO If we had stayed in we would likely be better off economically today (but its hard to know for sure) and there is an argument that if we had done a full Brexit properly we MIGHT have been better off, but again who can tell - apart from you!

Problem was that they fudged it, didnt have the conviction to go the whole hog and the bodge left us with all the downside and none of the potential upside. So in a way he's right - if one was to go down the Brexit path (and the majority mandated it) - then do it properly, rather than trying to get everyone somewhat satisfied and actually getting noone satisfied.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Cue tirades against the lies told surrounding the consequences of Brexit of course only by one side, the appalling right wing media (but the left were perfectly OK) and so on!! It was a fix, waah waah, Im going to tell Mummy.

[Andy_Faber]

Cue tirades against the lies told surrounding the consequences of Brexit of course only by one side, the appalling right wing media (but the left were perfectly OK) and so on!! It was a fix, waah waah, Im going to tell Mummy.

Does the ?right wing media? include BBC, currently in the doggy doo not only for underplaying Israeli casualties in the current conflict but also for what to my ears is one of the most crass bits of cut and paste I?ve ever heard, El Trumpo?s Jan6 speech? I?m sure I?ve mentioned broadcast media manipulating the masses before, maybe not.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Probably wouldn't include the BBC who seem to be much more focussed on trying to underplay 11 attempted murders on a train in Huntingdon as a minor kerfuffle just now

[SithHappens]

He did pardon all the rioters though didn't he? Surely an act no one can support or excuse.

So agree BBC shouldn't be editing his speeches. But he certainly is not a victim here.

[swaledale]

swale "His main theme was that the country was basically ****ed. Largely because of Brexit. Odd then that he seems to have memory of being the main architect behind the Brexit vote. Of course he claims, that had he been involved he would have done it all differently. Deregulated everything and never traded with the EU ever again...."

But isnt that what you've been saying for the last 5 years? Now when he says it you deride him. Cant win can he!

IMHO If we had stayed in we would likely be better off economically today (but its hard to know for sure) and there is an argument that if we had done a full Brexit properly we MIGHT have been better off, but again who can tell - apart from you!

Problem was that they fudged it, didnt have the conviction to go the whole hog and the bodge left us with all the downside and none of the potential upside. So in a way he's right - if one was to go down the Brexit path (and the majority mandated it) - then do it properly, rather than trying to get everyone somewhat satisfied and actually getting noone satisfied.

I really wonder sometimes if you actually think about what your saying?

Yes I'm deriding him for saying the country is ****ed because of Brexit, because HE was a prime mover behind Brexit and acts as if it had nothing to do with him!! The guy is a hypocrite and a charlatan.

Its a myth to say Brexit was fudged, what would the whole hog have been then? What would leaving the EU "properly" mean? Farage certainly didn't explain or set out what he meant when spreading his lies during the referendum, so how the **** is he right?

Neither is it hard to be sure that the UK would be better off economically if it hadn't left the EU, there is masses of evidence that demonstrates quite clearly the economic hit that Brexit caused.

Its a fact to say that the deal negotiated by Johnson's government was a bad one, its a fact that instead of focussing on getting the best deal possible, the Government basically adopted a stance of being anti EU as an ideology.

My main beef, was as the vote was that close and as there had been no specifics about what leaving the EU actually meant, the UK should ahve left but remained in the single market/customs union, a Norway style arrangement. There was no mandate for completely isolating the Uk from its main trading partner.

Going back to the mandate, yes its true a small majority voted for Brexit, haven't yet met anyone who can given a reasoned explanation as to why or what they voted for. I was talking to a friend not so long ago, who excused the Tories inability to govern on the basis that the Uk wasn't used to governing itself, having been "run" by the EU!

I explained very gently that this was tosh, that the EU didn't govern or run anything in the UK, but that the UK in certain circumstances had agreed a common set of rules (many of which were created and put forward by the UK as it happens) that it agreed to comply with, much like one does if one joins a club. He wasn't having it, so in the face of such ignorance I just smiled and gave up.

[swaledale]

Cue tirades against the lies told surrounding the consequences of Brexit of course only by one side, the appalling right wing media (but the left were perfectly OK) and so on!! It was a fix, waah waah, Im going to tell Mummy.

Actually its not a left wing or a right wing issue - one of the reasons Corbyn was useless was because he was actually in favour of Brexit, as were many trade unions whilst there were (until Johnson purged them from the party) numerous Tory politicians and supporters who didn't favour Brexit.

Yes there were lies told by both sides during the campaign, though the big ones such as the ?350 million paid to the EU, which was actually half that after rebates, the idea pushed by Farage and others that Turkey was about to join and there would be thousands of Turks migrating into the UK soon, being just the obvious ones.

It was badly handled by cocky Cameron who thought it would be an easy way to silence the euro sceptics the Tory party and who didn't set up the referendum properly, so that there would be a minimum threshold for it to go through, but a simple majority.

There was no clear explanation as to what leaving the EU would mean, the Leave side certainly had no vision or plan for Brexit, lets face it Johnson only joined leave because he thought that would be best for his political career, he didn't believe in it, doubt if he even knew what the consequences would be. and the remain side didn't believe they would lose.

In any case, as with all these things, the average person was fooled and suffers the consequences, many just made hay whilst the sun shined and haven't suffered the consequences. In fact for me it was a plus in many ways, but it was an economic disaster for the country and has impacted negatively in many ways, often indirectly.

Did Mummy comfort you by the way?