Election Year or Fear!

[Geoff Parkstone]

They’re wild animals, GP and yes I know they can make a distressing mess of a hen house, but isn’t it up to the humans who keep them to make them secure?
Either way a farmer/keeper taking a shotgun to get rid of a troublesome fox is one thing…dressing up to cavort en masse around the countryside on horseback while glorifying the killing and tearing apart of an animal is surely another.

As I said don't think for one minute I'm defending hunting, but I also recall several incidents from childhood where a fox got into hen accomodations and slaughtered everything in the pen - eating maybe half of one and taking none away.

[SithHappens]

I keep rabbits which are outdoors. Its up to me to protect them from wild animals or cats. If I fail while I will be pissed off it's my fault.

[SithHappens]

Makes me laugh Farage in the defence of hunts said we might aswell ban dog walking as dogs might chase rabbits, deer, sheep etc. It's very different and my message to Nigel is if he is incapable of controlling his dogs then he shouldn't be a dog owner.

[ramAnag]

As I said don't think for one minute I'm defending hunting, but I also recall several incidents from childhood where a fox got into hen accomodations and slaughtered everything in the pen - eating maybe half of one and taking none away.

Appreciate that you’re not, but you’re not answering the points raised either.

[Andy_Faber]

Foxes? Innocent animals? Have you ever kept chickens?

Don't get me wrong, I hate hunting with a vengeance due to the arrogance of those involved thinking they can go where they want, trampling growing crops, scaring young kids and believing it's their inalienable right to do so, but don't get caught up in the innocence of foxes

Yup, agreeing with that as someone who’s participated in vermin control and seen the impact of it not being carried out (ok decades ago) - disagree with it as a sport, support it as a necessary activity. When all said and done killing is killing, any meat eater here is a hypocrite if they try to differentiate between one animal and another

[Trickytreesreds]

Words fail me with this clown.
Get him out now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15416559/Starmer-backlash-return-UK-Egyptian-activist-kill-Zionists.html

[SithHappens]

Yup, agreeing with that as someone who’s participated in vermin control and seen the impact of it not being carried out (ok decades ago) - disagree with it as a sport, support it as a necessary activity. When all said and done killing is killing, any meat eater here is a hypocrite if they try to differentiate between one animal and another

Ive heard the argument before that if you eat meat you can't be against cruelty to animals, but i disagree.

To suggest you can't be against, fox hunting, trophy hunting, poaching elephants for their ivory, dog fighting, bull fighting, killing cats for fun, strapping a hamster to a firework and so on just because you eat meat is a very poor argument.

[SithHappens]

Words fail me with this clown.
Get him out now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Zionists.html

Don't know much about him but seems a huge own goal at a time there is so much focus on what people post online.

[ramAnag]

When all said and done killing is killing, any meat eater here is a hypocrite if they try to differentiate between one animal and another

Hmmm. Have to disagree, in fact I’d also suggest that that’s a late contender for the daftest comment of the year. Think about it.

[swaledale]

As I said don't think for one minute I'm defending hunting, but I also recall several incidents from childhood where a fox got into hen accomodations and slaughtered everything in the pen - eating maybe half of one and taking none away.

Indeed, a wild animal in a totally unatural situation, faced with limitless food, ratherperhaps like a child let loose in a sweet shop? Though attributing human values, behaviour etc onto an animal is a false premise.

A Fox is neither innocent or guilty, occasionally numbers need humane control, fox hunting is neither humane or an effective method of controlling populations.

[swaledale]

Words fail me with this clown.
Get him out now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Zionists.html

Words fail me that you quote the Daily fail and belive thier slant on the story. Which suggests the clown is perhaps yourself?

[swaledale]

Makes me laugh Farage in the defence of hunts said we might aswell ban dog walking as dogs might chase rabbits, deer, sheep etc. It's very different and my message to Nigel is if he is incapable of controlling his dogs then he shouldn't be a dog owner.

AS someone who volunteers on a nature reserve, I spend a lot of time educating visitors as to why dogs are only permitted in certain areas and why especially during February to July whenever they are out in the countryside they should keep them on a lead. But thast not about "banning" them.

[swaledale]

Yup, agreeing with that as someone who’s participated in vermin control and seen the impact of it not being carried out (ok decades ago) - disagree with it as a sport, support it as a necessary activity. When all said and done killing is killing, any meat eater here is a hypocrite if they try to differentiate between one animal and another

Mm for a start Fox Hunting is not a necessary activity, being inefficient as vermin control. Its entirely possible to humanely control animals that are causing damage. I dislike the term vermin its an antiquated term used to justify killing animals that threaten other animals that are generally being raised to be shot as "sport".

I have absolutely no problem with killing for food, I would certainly make it part of education that people saw for themselves how animals were raised, killed and processed for food. I suspect that a good proportion would stop eating meat!

But its hardly hypocritical to be against killing any animal in a manner which is so obviously cruel and causes suffering.

[swaledale]

Don't know much about him but seems a huge own goal at a time there is so much focus on what people post online.

Its in the Daily Fail, so I wouldn't rely on the slant put on it by that rag, they twist any action into their own agenda and most of what they report is at best a twisted version of whats happened and at worst complete fiction, made up by their right wing lunatic so called journos.

[swaledale]

Hmmm. Have to disagree, in fact I’d also suggest that that’s a late contender for the daftest comment of the year. Think about it.

Not withstanding the fact that Hunting Foxes with dogs is illegal, except in specific circumstances and trail hunting was permitted, where they lay a scent for the dogs to follow, giving the same if not better sport. However, many "die hard" Hunts intentionally abused that and used trail hunting as a cover to continue hunting Foxes. So these tightening of the law is thier own fault.