Election Year or Fear!

[SithHappens]

Its in the Daily Fail, so I wouldn't rely on the slant put on it by that rag, they twist any action into their own agenda and most of what they report is at best a twisted version of whats happened and at worst complete fiction, made up by their right wing lunatic so called journos.

Looking elsewhere, including the BBC, it does seem to be true. According to the BBC starmer has only just become aware of past tweets and finds them abhorrent.

Id expect some sort of response though.

Do find it a bit rich that the likes of Farage and others are calling starmer out when they have treated someone, who admitted her racism and called for murder, as some sort of modern day hero.

[Andy_Faber]

Hmmm. Have to disagree, in fact I?d also suggest that that?s a late contender for the daftest comment of the year. Think about it.

I think about all your posts rA and the impression I get is you see mine and your only intention is to demean them. It gets boring. And I stand by what I say. Anyone who eats meat and differentiates between types of killing is a hypocrite. Killing is killing. I?m a meat eater by the way

[Andy_Faber]

Ive heard the argument before that if you eat meat you can't be against cruelty to animals, but i disagree.

To suggest you can't be against, fox hunting, trophy hunting, poaching elephants for their ivory, dog fighting, bull fighting, killing cats for fun, strapping a hamster to a firework and so on just because you eat meat is a very poor argument.

No I mean the opposite Sith, ALL killing is cruelty, and that doesn?t mean that bloodsports for pleasure aren?t a level up from that. Have you seen the YouTube vid of what happens to male chicks when they are identified as such?

[Geoff Parkstone]

They’re wild animals, GP and yes I know they can make a distressing mess of a hen house, but isn’t it up to the humans who keep them to make them secure?
Either way a farmer/keeper taking a shotgun to get rid of a troublesome fox is one thing…dressing up to cavort en masse around the countryside on horseback while glorifying the killing and tearing apart of an animal is surely another.

I didn't notice any points raised needing an answer but yes every effort should be used to secure hen house against predators, equally every effort should be made to counter attack against the predator - shooting being the most "humane" and hunting the least acceptable. Some of the associated rituals of glorifying the kill (eg first blooding) are reprehensible.

There is a need for countryside management and maintaining a balance, but it needs to be done proportionately and not for "fun" - which in any event is not an efficient process anyway

[SithHappens]

No I mean the opposite Sith, ALL killing is cruelty, and that doesn?t mean that bloodsports for pleasure aren?t a level up from that. Have you seen the YouTube vid of what happens to male chicks when they are identified as such?

Im aware male chicks are humanely (supposedly) killed and then they enter the food chain.

Still can't convince me that you can't eat meat but be opposed to killing for fun and causing huge amounts of distress and fear for the target

[ramAnag]

I think about all your posts rA and the impression I get is you see mine and your only intention is to demean them. It gets boring. And I stand by what I say. Anyone who eats meat and differentiates between types of killing is a hypocrite. Killing is killing. I?m a meat eater by the way

Lol. If it’s any consolation I feel much the same, as if I’m constantly being stalked by you and Rog.

Anyway, for clarification let’s consider. ‘Killing is killing’ you say, without further explanation. So in your world a battlefield killing is the same as a terrorist attack on a concert venue, a fatal RTA, for which weather conditions are the main contributor, is the same as a fatal RTA caused by a drunk driver or someone driving at twice the speed limit, a mercy killing (euthanasia) and a murder are the same. That’s nonsense.

But I’m not talking about people, I’m talking about animals, you protest. Okay, so is getting rid of wasps or flies that are ruining a picnic/barbecue on a par with shooting a rabbit/pheasant/duck for fun? Of course it isn’t.
In the same way killing for food cannot be compared with killing for fun, be it huntsmen after foxes/hares, or little scrotes in Derby tying a firework to a kitten or a puppy.

Had you said, people who protest about hunting and cruelty are somewhat hypocritical if they are prepared to eat factory farmed animals then you’d have some sort of point, but you didn’t, you went off in your simplistic and dogmatic way to say - and repeat - ‘killing is killing’.

I too am a meat eater and frankly I haven’t the time or the knowledge to source most of my food. I try - and certainly prefer - to eat free range stuff, but it’s not always either available or, for the majority, affordable. Either way to suggest that meat eaters are being hypocritical in opposing deliberate acts of cruelty and that ‘killing is killing’ is just nonsense imo, regardless of who wrote it.

[ramAnag]

yes every effort should be used to secure hen house against predators, equally every effort should be made to counter attack against the predator - shooting being the most "humane" and hunting the least acceptable. Some of the associated rituals of glorifying the kill (eg first blooding) are reprehensible.

There is a need for countryside management and maintaining a balance, but it needs to be done proportionately and not for "fun" - which in any event is not an efficient process anyway

Yay! We agree.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Yay! We agree.

Oh f ** k I must be wrong then!

[swaledale]

Looking elsewhere, including the BBC, it does seem to be true. According to the BBC starmer has only just become aware of past tweets and finds them abhorrent.

Id expect some sort of response though.

Do find it a bit rich that the likes of Farage and others are calling starmer out when they have treated someone, who admitted her racism and called for murder, as some sort of modern day hero.

He has said some dubious stuff on twitter (X), but The previous Conservative administration had also lobbied for the activist to be freed and he was granted citizenship in December 2021 through his London-born mother when the party was in power. So its a bit rich the Tories and a Tory/right wing paper making it all about Starmer!

Plus these very same people and the same media are the first to complain when someone tweets or says something awful, as per Connolly, about "free speech" and being cancelled!

[swaledale]

Oh f ** k I must be wrong then!

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day!!

[swaledale]

I think about all your posts rA and the impression I get is you see mine and your only intention is to demean them. It gets boring. And I stand by what I say. Anyone who eats meat and differentiates between types of killing is a hypocrite. Killing is killing. I?m a meat eater by the way

That is a very strange view to have, there is a big difference in killing for food, which is after all a natural action and killing for "sport" or "fun". Yes I can agree with say a vegetarian who argues that any killing is cruel or unnecessary. Thast there view and belief, though it goes against what actually happens in the natural world where nature is red in tooth and claw.

There is much that can be critcised on the differing ways food is produced, for myself I will only buy and eat meat where I know where its been raised and under what conditions. Its expensive, but then I eat good quality meat less often. Thats difficult when dining out, but then I do know where food is sourced for many places.

I don't see why you think challenging your proposition that there is no difference between killing for food or killing for sport is demeaning. Unless you have the view that every time somebody offers and alternative view to yours you feel upset. But then that woudl only be the case if your not comfortable with your view being the dominant one.

[SithHappens]

He has said some dubious stuff on twitter (X), but The previous Conservative administration had also lobbied for the activist to be freed and he was granted citizenship in December 2021 through his London-born mother when the party was in power. So its a bit rich the Tories and a Tory/right wing paper making it all about Starmer!

Plus these very same people and the same media are the first to complain when someone tweets or says something awful, as per Connolly, about "free speech" and being cancelled!

Stunning hypocrisy from the Tories and Reform members who were Tories. Calling for him to be deported but they started the dialogue to bring him to the UK

[Andy_Faber]

I don't see why you think challenging your proposition that there is no difference between killing for food or killing for sport is demeaning. Unless you have the view that every time somebody offers and alternative view to yours you feel upset. But then that woudl only be the case if your not comfortable with your view being the dominant one.

Now that’s an interesting comment, especially coming from the only poster to have resorted to calling one poster with opposing views a clown and two others ****s - that suggests a degree of upset on your part, whether fuelled by an inability to put a decent argument together or as GP suggested something more liquid we’ll have to guess

[Andy_Faber]

Stunning hypocrisy from the Tories and Reform members who were Tories. Calling for him to be deported but they started the dialogue to bring him to the UK

Take off your partisan hat for a moment - would you be happy for this fellah to move in next door regardless of who endorsed it? Surely that?s the issue, it would be with me

[SithHappens]

Take off your partisan hat for a moment - would you be happy for this fellah to move in next door regardless of who endorsed it? Surely that?s the issue, it would be with me

What do you mean partisan? Ive been critical of starmer while pointing out the hypocrisy of other party members.

Surely you have to admit it's hypocritical of the likes of Farage to criticise starmer but put Lucy Connolly on a pedestal.

Don't get the partisan comment, I haven't defended anyone's comments on him.