Election Year or Fear!

[SithHappens]

Andrew who?
Actually, just looked him up on Wiki. Advise others to do the same. Sounds a lovely chap. Not at all suspect. Perfect match.

A homophobe and alleged rapist. Not bad.

[ramAnag]

A homophobe and alleged rapist. Not bad.

Good with his expenses claims though.

[Andy_Faber]

My assumption, possibly wrongly, is that both GP and AF are going to vote Reform, or at least strongly considering it.

Neither are unintelligent, and I don't think either is racist.

What i struggle with is what is involved in the thought process of Reform voters when its quite clear Farage and most of those around him do exhibit very questionable moral attitudes.

No one can convince me they aren't racist, Farage has shown misogynistic tendencies, and seems to show very questionable attitudes to exploitation of women, and recently children.

What is it with Reform voters that convinces them he's a good choice for leader with these attitudes?

thanks rA for the review of Sith's post

Sith, Not for me to judge my intelligence or otherwise, or even how that's assessed.

I'm not party political so I'll be voting for the party I think will do best for me and mine at the next GE, no idea if that will be Reform or not (or even if they'll still exist four years hence) and they'll be given equal consideration with everyone else. There are no clean hands in politics, I'll grant you some are less clean than others.

I'm no more or less of an 'ist' of any sort than you or anyone else here, but (and we had an interesting test of this before your time that everyone either failed or hid from) we all have or prejudices, my most passionate prejudice (you may have noticed) is against those who refuse to recognise that opinions other than their own have any validity

Yes Farage's morals/opinions are questionable for a party leader but no more questionable than, for instance, one who thinks men can get pregnant and breasts can be resized by the power of though, I repeat there are no clean hands in politics

[SithHappens]

Not sure i can agree Farages morals are no more questionable myself.

You seriously think racism for example is no worse than a hypnosis trick?

[ramAnag]

thanks rA for the review of Sith's post

Sith, Not for me to judge my intelligence or otherwise, or even how that's assessed.

I'm not party political so I'll be voting for the party I think will do best for me and mine at the next GE, no idea if that will be Reform or not (or even if they'll still exist four years hence) and they'll be given equal consideration with everyone else. There are no clean hands in politics, I'll grant you some are less clean than others.

I'm no more or less of an 'ist' of any sort than you or anyone else here, but (and we had an interesting test of this before your time that everyone either failed or hid from) we all have or prejudices, my most passionate prejudice (you may have noticed) is against those who refuse to recognise that opinions other than their own have any validity

Yes Farage's morals/opinions are questionable for a party leader but no more questionable than, for instance, one who thinks men can get pregnant and breasts can be resized by the power of though, I repeat there are no clean hands in politics

I didn’t ‘review’ Sith’s post, as you well know. I simply added my own thoughts following the recent, frankly bizarre, attacks from you and GP.

For someone who claims not to be ‘party political’ you seem, to me at least, to spend a great deal of time defending those on the Right and criticising those who are remotely left of centre. That’s absolutely up to you but don’t expect it to go uncommented on.
I’ve no idea who you’re referring to when you speak of those who ‘think men can get pregnant and breasts can be resized by the power of thought’, sounds bonkers, but I’m not sure what it has to do with anything.

I am sure however that Farage’s morals, opinions and behaviour are rather more than ‘questionable’ and that you are in no position to accuse others of refusing to recognise the validity of opposing opinions when you make such disrespectful comments about those who disagree with Farage, and perhaps yourself, as was the case yesterday morning.

[SithHappens]

I didn’t ‘review’ Sith’s post, as you well know. I simply added my own thoughts following the recent, frankly bizarre, attacks from you and GP.

For someone who claims not to be ‘party political’ you seem, to me at least, to spend a great deal of time defending those on the Right and criticising those who are remotely left of centre. That’s absolutely up to you but don’t expect it to go uncommented on.
I’ve no idea who you’re referring to when you speak of those who ‘think men can get pregnant and breasts can be resized by the power of thought’, sounds bonkers, but I’m not sure what it has to do with anything.

I am sure however that Farage’s morals, opinions and behaviour are rather more than ‘questionable’ and that you are in no position to accuse others of refusing to recognise the validity of opposing opinions when you make such disrespectful comments about those who disagree with Farage, and perhaps yourself, as was the case yesterday morning.

The breast enlargement one is Zack Polanski who before he got into politics did have a dubious practice of charging women for hypnosis that would make them believe they had bigger boobs. He has since acknowledged it was wrong unlike Farage who seems incapable of accepting he's ever done anything wrong

I think the men being pregnant refers to Starmer due to his clumsy inability to say if a woman needs a cervix to be a woman.

[Andy_Faber]

Not sure i can agree Farages morals are no more questionable myself.

You seriously think racism for example is no worse than a hypnosis trick?

Interesting you chose to compare against the more frivolous of my examples. I?d say a consider the dignity of females and the dignity of all races to be equal , maybe you don?t.

[SithHappens]

Interesting you chose to compare against the more frivolous of my examples. I?d say a consider the dignity of females and the dignity of all races to be equal , maybe you don?t.

I assume its Starmers clumsy ability to define what a woman is? If so you think this is worse than racism?

[ramAnag]

Interesting you chose to compare against the more frivolous of my examples. I?d say a consider the dignity of females and the dignity of all races to be equal , maybe you don?t.

Lol. I’ve no idea where you stand on the dignity of females, but as far as the ‘dignity of all races’ is concerned I think we all know that Sith has a rather more egalitarian attitude than you.

[Ram Pant]

Meanwhile, Trump is getting more open. A letter to, was it Ambassadors or PM's, stating that he's doing his greenland thing because Norway (the government thereof) didn't give him the NPP he believes he so richly deserves. It's another huge bopped drollock by him with regard to Nobel.

1. When he first didn't get it he failed to recognise, or simply refused to, that the recently awarded prize was for actions on 2024. A period in which he wasn't President.

2. Nobel prizes are independent form the Norwegian government. It's simply that the Nobel Committee has its offices there.

He's going wild on tariffs again. I think he's playing with fire. If he does move on Greenland, it will be, IMO, for a mix of the cheated feeling he has because he didn't get the NPP and to get his hands on the rare minerals Greenland has and thereby make money for him, his family and friends. NOT for the good people of Greenland. He also seems to forget that the minerals are often under up to a mile of ice and the US, as yet, doesn't have the wherewithall to process the minerals.

A couple of year ago, in one of the political threads, I posted that the rich were moving in to take control of countries and we had to move quickly or become serfs, or words to that effect. That time is rapidly approaching. He's on the verge of becoming King Donald the First of America and he won't, again IMO, stop there.

Not for the first time, I'm not sad that I'm closer to the end of my life than I am to the start of it. The world is turning into a place I don't recognise and don't wish to encounter. However, I could easily have another 30 years on it so I'll keep plodding on, not liking the way things are going and being unable to do a great deal to stop them.

[Ram Pant]

PS - if he does take Greenland by force, I expect EU and NATO countries to dump their US Treasury Bonds and that will cripple the US financially. I don't think it will become all out war because European countries don't, IMO, have the balls and that might not be a bad thing. Fanta face has his finger on the nuclear button. Anything is possible when he throws a tantrum. Great Britain nd France both have a nuclear arsenal as well. I hope this balance prevents either side from pushing the button.

In other news, the DOJ is after yet another Congress member who reminded service personnel that the Constitution instructs them to refuse illegal orders. DJT seems to be passing the dictator stage and going full on tyrant.

[Ram Pant]

Here's the letter... it was to Norway's Prime Minister it seems...

“Dear Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America. Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a “right of ownership” anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also.
I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President DJT”

Has he completely lost his mind?

[Ram Pant]

For the non FB'ers on here, here's the latest from that guy guy who "siimply loves Australia"

Alright, let?s call this what it is, perfectly timed economic judo, and Trump just ran face-first into the mat.
While Trump?s over there banging his favourite broken toy, tariffs, again, like a toddler smashing a plastic hammer on the coffee table, the EU quietly did something grown-ups do. They signed a massive free trade deal with Mercosur that?s been twenty-plus years in the making. Twenty years. That?s patience. That?s planning. That?s not ?I woke up angry and threatened half the planet on social media?.
And the timing?
Oh mate. Chef?s kiss.
Trump rolls out his shiny new 10% tariffs, then threatens 25% tariffs like he?s upping the ante at a poker table where everyone already knows he?s bluffing. He?s targeting EU countries because they dared to say, ?No mate, you don?t get to just muscle-**** Greenland like it?s a Monopoly property.?
So what does Europe do?
Do they panic?
Do they tweet?
Do they throw a tantrum?
No.
They go, ?Cool. While you?re busy tariff-****ing, we?ll just lock in one of the biggest free trade zones on Earth with South America.?
That?s not reaction. That?s strategy.
This deal links Europe with Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay, Uruguay. Hundreds of millions of people. Enormous agricultural supply. Massive industrial demand. New markets. New leverage. New options. The exact thing Trump hates most because it proves a horrifying truth: the world does not need to revolve around the United States.
This is what tariff fatigue looks like in real life. Countries don?t scream back. They don?t beg. They don?t posture. They quietly build alternatives and leave you shouting into the void.
Trump thinks tariffs are power. They?re not. They?re a tax on your own people and an invitation for everyone else to reroute around you. And Europe just rerouted in spectacular fashion.
And let?s be very clear, this isn?t abstract. This deal weakens Trump?s leverage directly. When you?ve got diversified trade, when you?ve got access to food, energy, manufacturing inputs from another hemisphere, suddenly some loud orange bloke threatening tariffs sounds a lot less scary.
This is the EU saying, ?You don?t scare us. You don?t corner us. And you definitely don?t bully us into handing over Greenland like it?s a ****ing souvenir fridge magnet.?
Trump?s entire negotiating style is based on one assumption: that everyone needs him more than he needs them. This deal punches that assumption straight in the throat.
While he?s playing checkers with tariffs, Europe?s playing long-term chess with supply chains. While he?s yelling ?America First?, Europe?s saying ?Fine, we?ll trade elsewhere?.
And that?s the real blow here. Not the headlines. Not the symbolism. The fact that when those 10% and 25% tariffs land, Europe?s going to feel them a hell of a lot less than Trump thinks.
That?s what impeccable timing looks like.
No shouting.
No theatrics.
Just a quiet, coordinated move that leaves the bully swinging at air.
Trump wanted to show strength.
Europe just showed competence.
And competence always wins in the end.

[Andy_Faber]

I assume its Starmers clumsy ability to define what a woman is? If so you think this is worse than racism?

No it?s not just that although it does demonstrate his embarrassing weakness on that subject. I repeat, not respecting dignity of women is THE SAME AS not respecting the dignity of race. You still didn?t answer if you agree

[SithHappens]

No it?s not just that although it does demonstrate his embarrassing weakness on that subject. I repeat, not respecting dignity of women is THE SAME AS not respecting the dignity of race. You still didn?t answer if you agree

Stop with the caps , it demonstrates an aggressive attitude and there is no need. I honestly don't know what you are talking about. Has Starmer or someone else said men can get pregnant?

Even if he has i still don't see that's worse than or the same as being racist, condoning rape, ***ual exploitation of women. and children.