Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

I?ve told you I?m not engaging further on this subject and I knew you?d want the last word(s?) but regarding 1) ( your first (1) I stand corrected

Well to be fair, you haven't actually engaged with the subject, beyond making a claim which I've comprehensively shown to be untrue and then failed in any way to offer any evidence to back up your claim!

So to be factual you stand corrected on both counts in reality.

[Ram Pant]

I still am of the opinion that services such as gas, water, electricity, buses, trains and the NHS should never, ever be in private hands. There will be those who disagree.

Private hospitals/clinics are not a problem, as far as I am concerned, provided there's sufficient NHS capacity to properly treat the huge % of the populace that can't afford private health care, in a timely fashion.

[ramAnag]

I still am of the opinion that services such as gas, water, electricity, buses, trains and the NHS should never, ever be in private hands. There will be those who disagree.

Private hospitals/clinics are not a problem, as far as I am concerned, provided there's sufficient NHS capacity to properly treat the huge % of the populace that can't afford private health care, in a timely fashion.

Totally agree. Watch ‘Dirty Business’ if you can. It’s superbly acted but so shocking. Not just about the state of our rivers and coasts but about the bank driven profiteering that is taking place from what is effectively toxic fly tipping into our waterways.

As you know I have three German based grandchildren. They regularly swim freely in local lakes, rivers and the Baltic Sea (brrrr!). The water is clean. We’d be mad to allow them to do that here on the evidence of this programme. Banks and greed are solely to blame.

[swaledale]

Lol! I had a little bet with myself about how you would reply. Guess what? I won.
As I say, each to their own, but he?’s no more for me than your recent ?‘one liner?’ contributions.

Mm interesting that our Mod expresses strong views that people waving Palestinian flags are antisemetic, and was very quick and heavy with me for inadvertantly saying that 40% of those rioting had had contact with the Police for domestic, child abuse and ***ual offences, when I missed out the word "arrested", although statistically it is likely some of those not arrested had similar records, even threatening to delete my post, if Id idn't correct it. yet seems quite unconcerned by GP's blatant racist and Islamaphobic post.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I still am of the opinion that services such as gas, water, electricity, buses, trains and the NHS should never, ever be in private hands. There will be those who disagree.

Private hospitals/clinics are not a problem, as far as I am concerned, provided there's sufficient NHS capacity to properly treat the huge % of the populace that can't afford private health care, in a timely fashion.

This is an interesting one. I was in favour of the Thatcher era denationalisation of some of these service companies which initially seemed to provide an enhanced service at a less volatile cost but as time went on I became increasingly disillusioned with the lack of intrastructiral investment - or the misdirection of it - in the privatised bodies. I now tend to support the RP perspective for eectric gas water etc although less so for buses, trains etc. I still have "scars" from commuting under British Rail - or rather not commuting nut waiting on platforms in the rain during cancellations strikes and late running.

How does it work in the land of clog? Are all such things all in national ownership?

Mind you achieving renationalisation on an e1uitable basis may prove a financial challenge unless one just lets the private service providers simply go to the wall and pick up the businesses cheap - or at the expense of peoples pension funds, which would indirectly charge the cost to most of the country, particularly the older cohort who had more invested. This approach would mean most services would have to deteriorate still further, and cost a lot more to fix under the state.

Sadly all a "bit of a mess", but most of us here will be dead before anything gets cured

[Andy_Faber]

Mm interesting that our Mod expresses strong views that people waving Palestinian flags are antisemetic, and was very quick and heavy with me for inadvertantly saying that 40% of those rioting had had contact with the Police for domestic, child abuse and ***ual offences, when I missed out the word "arrested", although statistically it is likely some of those not arrested had similar records, even threatening to delete my post, if Id idn't correct it. yet seems quite unconcerned by GP's blatant racist and Islamaphobic post.

Sorry Swale I don’t see such a post, what’s the post number?

You seem more grumpy than normal, has someone nicked your placard?

[SithHappens]

Well the bookies were spot on. It wasn't even that close, bad night for both labour and reform. At least labour's response is reasonably dignified admitting it was disappointing, farages response of blaming Muslims not so dignified.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Great result for Lucy Powell, PM Designate

[SithHappens]

Congratulations on your new role as Shadow MP to Matt Goodwin

[ramAnag]

Well the bookies were spot on. It wasn't even that close, bad night for both labour and reform. At least labour's response is reasonably dignified admitting it was disappointing, farages response of blaming Muslims not so dignified.

Tbf you did predict it correctly a while ago. Personally I’m just hugely relieved. More mid term blues for Labour but the ‘turquoise tide’ has been stopped and it’s a much bigger blow for Farage than Starmer, imo.

[swaledale]

Sorry Swale I don’t see such a post, what’s the post number?

You seem more grumpy than normal, has someone nicked your placard?

Posts 287 and 288 in the One Liner thread, though to be fair I have no real objection to post 288, I don't think its funny but that doesn't mean its offensive or racist. 287 however is a broad brush Islamaphobic comment which should be as unaccetable as any other slur on a group of people simply becuase of their beliefs.

Grumpy? On the contrary I'm well happy, especially this morning that the overall progressive vote is clearly bigger than the narrow minded bigot vote, there is hope that the negative, damaging and largely untrue anti foreigner, turn back the clock to the 1950's "vision" isn't it seems what the majority of people in this country want.

Of course thee remains a rump of people willing to blame "immigration" for the issues facing the UK, but thats their problem, not mine.

Whether the Labour party heed this warning is another matter of course, but thats up to them.

[Ram Pant]

GP, water is publicly owned and run. Gas, electricity and the buses are in private hands. The railways are publicly owned.

i get my gas and electricity from the ANWB (Dutch version of AA/RAC) who supply energy on a not for profit basis. I pay just under 100 euro a month and get a bill each year if I've used more and a rebate if I've used less than I've paid for. I'm expecting a rebate of around 150 euro next month.

[Ram Pant]

Rumours that Reform UK Ltd has named Matt Goodwin as their Shadow MP for Gorton and Denton...

[ramAnag]

Rumours that Reform UK Ltd has named Matt Goodwin as their Shadow MP for Gorton and Denton...

I see Reform UK are blaming ‘woke progressives’ (consider the opposite of that for a moment ), ‘sectarianism’ and ‘family voting’ for their failure in Gorton and Denton.
Family voting? I’m sure the Johnson and Rees Mogg families are riddled with Labour supporters and the Trump offspring are all free to vote Democrat.
Apparently, according to NF, there was ‘cheating’ going on. Now where have we heard that before?

[Ram Pant]

Guess what we Cloggies have to show at the Polling Station when we go to vote.