Election Year or Fear!

[macstheman]

I'm out of affection for the current political scene, everywhere. I have come to the conclusion (again) that we educate people sufficiently to keep industry going. That keeps the owners of said industry in their lofty position of wealth and the power that goes with that wealth. It is designed to, at worst keep the rich rich and, hopefully, even richer and the rest in their place.

UThe vast majority of people are, as far as the rich and powerful are concerned, merely there to keep the rich in the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed. Basically, people are slaves to the system.

Sad.

Yes MA sad.
Mind you we are still pretty good at killing one another!
Unfortunately, my hell raising days are long gone because there's a lot of hell that needs raising!

[swaledale]

The old ones are the best ones, AF and you just couldn’t resist resurrecting and recycling your own - made soooo many times before little old ‘in joke’, yet again! - could you?

The relevance? I just find it amusing that all those racists who seem so happy to adopt, erect and hide behind the cross of St.George seem oblivious to the fact that he was quite probably black and of Palestinian parentage. ‘In-chortle’? Well if I didn’t laugh I’d cry at what is currently happening in and to our country.

P.S. I think someone should have had a word with you about Santa. Seems a little overdue.

Mm the concept of "rear gunner" as often put forward by some on here is as I understand it where another poster actively supports another, seeing as you merely made a neutral observation I'm begining to see that some use phrases without actually thinking or about what their meaning is.! Sigh!

Though quite why, if another poster supports or otherwise agrees with a post of another, that should elicit such a response is a tad puzzling, perhaps there is some insecurity at play here? Especially if one is deluded enough to think thier opinion or view is held by the majority? Must be a shock to find out its not!

[MadAmster]

Mm the concept of "rear gunner" as often put forward by some on here is as I understand it where another poster actively supports another

A dirty mind can be a joy for ever if you've got one. There could well be other connotations to that term...

[Geoff Parkstone]

I suspect that the two concepts are not entirely disconnected - one always backing up the other

[Andy_Faber]

Amazing Reform are saying if you vote Green they will target your community. And some will think this is acceptable.

I wasn't sure what you were referring to here but I've just seen a vid on Youtube where Zia Yusuf (who incidentally looks as ridiculous as I've ever seen any politician with his stupid sunglasses) is suggesting that immigrants will be relocated into Green-voting areas if Reform hold sway. If its a party-election vid there's a flaw to that, because it doesn't relate to 'local politics', but it IS what Green voters are voting for surely? Or are Green voters only OK with the concept of having immigrants in their 'back yard' and not the actuality of it? I'm genuinely confused, in fact why aren't The Greens pushing for the same?

Sorry if that wasn't the source of your comment

[SithHappens]

Its not really relocation in the Green Parties sense though. Im sure they don't have detention centres in mind. You know full well its a threat, another form of reform bullying. And let's be real if people vote in a Green candidate its still likely the majority in a given area didn't vote Green and their policies.

Making threats, because it is, against certain areas because of who they elected is very donald trump isnt it.

[Andy_Faber]

Its not really relocation in the Green Parties sense though. Im sure they don't have detention centres in mind. You know full well its a threat, another form of reform bullying. And let's be real if people vote in a Green candidate its still likely the majority in a given area didn't vote Green and their policies.

Making threats, because it is, against certain areas because of who they elected is very donald trump isnt it.

It can be two things at once can’t it? First, Crass messaging from Reform, especially as the likelihood of a Green voter switching to Reform is minimal so the Lib Dems for instance might be the accidental beneficiaries, but second, in general terms exactly what Green leadership, if not its members, are advocating - surely they can’t be too picky about the type of ‘welcome’ they are offering? NB still only wanting to discuss not make partisan points

[SithHappens]

I think if there is a need for such places, the decision on location should be made around availability, suitability of the location, not which party has been elected. Its irrelevant what the Greens policy might be.

In other news, defending his 5 million gift, Nigel has said its for his security because hes the most attacked politician in modern history.

Im sure the family of Jo Cox or David Amess would take exception to that.

He also cannot be getting much for his 5 million if he fails repeatedly to turn up in his constituency because of security reasons.

[MadAmster]

Farage attacked more than Trump? There's a laugh.

I read in a couple of places today that reform has said they will ban all foreign students from gaining taxpayer funded loans. I thought they already were unless they have settled status in the UK and have lived in Britain for at least three years before they start university, in which case they might not actually be considered as being foreign..

[SithHappens]

Farage attacked more than Trump? There's a laugh.

I read in a couple of places today that reform has said they will ban all foreign students from gaining taxpayer funded loans. I thought they already were unless they have settled status in the UK and have lived in Britain for at least three years before they start university, in which case they might not actually be considered as being foreign..

You know Reform just make stuff up that the daily mail reading masses will lap up

[ramAnag]

It can be two things at once can??t it? First, Crass messaging from Reform, especially as the likelihood of a Green voter switching to Reform is minimal so the Lib Dems for instance might be the accidental beneficiaries, but second, in general terms exactly what Green leadership, if not its members, are advocating - surely they can??t be too picky about the type of ??welcome?? they are offering? NB still only wanting to discuss not make partisan points

But equally, surely it makes as much sense - i.e. non at all - to suggest that, as Reform UK are the main proponents of such migrant detention centres that they should all be placed in their constituencies. Just another ridiculous attempt at more divisiveness from you know who imo.

[MadAmster]

So, the Iran/USA deal is close, according to DJT. Yet he's still threatening hellfire and destruction if Iran doesn't agree.

The problem for the rest of the world is that we don't know who is suggesting what in the US agreement or the Iran one. Are we supposed to accept whateever saving Trump's embarrassment will cost us. I think Mr "art of the deal" will end up with what we had before he started his little "excursion" plus the 2M USD toll per tanker through Hormuz that we didn't have. That is what I think "victory" will look like.

Trump says Iran has no cards. Their supreme leader says he has a strait....

[swaledale]

But equally, surely it makes as much sense - i.e. non at all - to suggest that, as Reform UK are the main proponents of such migrant detention centres that they should all be placed in their constituencies. Just another ridiculous attempt at more divisiveness from you know who imo.

I think its a classic "dead cat" throw something bizarre into the mix to distract attention from Farage's £5 million gift and close examination of how his partner managed to purchase an £800,000 house and why considering she doesn't live there.

Oh well I guess a guy who gets given "obviously with no strings attached" a £5 million gift from and ex pat crypto billionare is just the sort of person who has the interests of the average voter at heart!


I we shall truly find out how dumb and easily fooled a good proportion of the electorate is tomorrow. Followed by numerous "talking heads" trying to equate a low turn out local election with an indication as to what will happen in a GE which could be 3 years away! Some of the **** peddled by these people is mind blowing, not that I shall be listening.

[swaledale]

I suspect that the two concepts are not entirely disconnected - one always backing up the other

Ah your perception not backed up by reality, there are a number of occasions where RA and I disagree and in the last use of the word, RA was merely making an observaton, he didn't give a view or support me in any way.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I think you should reread the context of my post