Official Nelmsy Campus Countdown

[BCram]

Try to put yourself in Nelms place. I have, and I would not be able, or want, to answer many of the questions asked by fans.

That isn't the same as giving him 100% for all his actions. Somehow there is a gap in our communications, and I agree with you that the only person who can fix that is John Nelms.

I think the way round it might be to use Gordon Strachan more. He is obviously heavily involved with our club and he might like speaking to the fans.

[Returnofrros]

Try to put yourself in Nelms place. I have, and I would not be able, or want, to answer many of the questions asked by fans.

That isn't the same as giving him 100% for all his actions. Somehow there is a gap in our communications, and I agree with you that the only person who can fix that is John Nelms.

I think the way round it might be to use Gordon Strachan more. He is obviously heavily involved with our club and he might like speaking to the fans.

How does he know what the questions are?

Never mind though everything will be tickety boo when the stadium is built, full houses, European football, lashings to spend on the team......too many are clinging to this.

Cud just as easily be half built stadium, huge debt, nobody going.

Livvy playing in dark blue.

[Returnofrros]

And just to add, less Dundee fans wudnt bother nelms not when he cud squeeze in more away fans.

Anyway bed

[islaydarkblue]

I agree PATG is gone. Club needs to put more effort into trying to get lapsed fans to come along for each game. There must be 1/2 ST sales that might be attractive just now, and later on 2 or 3 match deals that could be put together.

We used to have a publican who posted regularly on here a while ago, Derry Drummer, I think was his user name.

Maybe the local pubs could do with some help in selling pre match and post match pints to fans? If you have a ticket for the , and it should be easy to demonstrate that with the digital tickets, get something as a reward.

Our club has to be seen to be trying harder to get fans to attend.

Performances on the pitch are crucial but I think more fans might help the team to perform at a higher level.

I used to arrange my trips to Dundee to coincide with Dundee FC home games but now I do not bother.

[islaydarkblue]

The PATG argument should now be a thing of the past. There was definitely a point over the past few seasons when our ticketing system was so poor and therefore several hundred or more could be in a queue at the shop wanting to buy tickets, queuing for ages, and at times missing the start of the game. This season it is all different. Folk can buy their ticket easily, days in advance, on the day, in the pub pre match or outside the ground just prior to entry. The queues at the shop are now a thing of the past and anyone without access to buy online or on their phone can walk straight into the shop and get served right away. Also it's not as if other Premier clubs offer PATG. I can be as old fashioned as the next one of my age but in this case we move with the times. I don't see an issue here other than something to moan about re the club.

I reckon if JN abandoned Camperdown, agreed to stay at Dens, reintroduced PATG, became the best communicator in Scottish football you, Islay, would find something else to beat him over the head with. Lighten up man!

Last season there was PATG for away supporters in the Bob Shankly stand but not for non season ticket holders sitting in home stands.
I reckon there is more chance of blue snow falling than JN abandoning Camperdown, agreeing to stay at Dens, reintroducing PATG and becoming the best communicator in Scottish football.
Incidentally I watched the very recent JN interview on STV news.
JN states in the interview that they (Dark Blue Property Holdings Limited) have been inundated with offers of funding for the new stadium development which according to the interview will cost ?95 million.
In September 2022 JN stated that his new stadium development at Camperdown was almost fully funded and if they required extra funds they could easily obtain these funds from the City of London.

[islaydarkblue]

Holding nelms feet to the fire is what was promised ....I lost interest after 1 meeting and breaking of the major commitment.

That happened because several of the Dee4life directors (not me) were more interested in jaw,jaw instead of enforcing the entrenched rights
of their A shares nominating Kenny Valentine as their Primary representative on the Dundee Football Club Limited board of directors.
The reply signed Dundee FC Ltd stated that the nomination would dealt with under the Club?s Articles of Incorporation.(American term).
At the Dee4life board of directors meeting in December 2022 I stated we should reply stating that we want our nominated Primary representative elected under the rules of the Dundee Football Club Limited Articles of Association but the Vice Chairman was against this. He wanted more dialogue with JN. The Dee4life Vice Chairman won the day and Dee4life subsequently got nowhere.

[islaydarkblue]

There was not any chance that Dee4life would go aggressive, imo. Don't think they had a proposal that could be an alternative to the new stadium.

I remember arguing that development of Dens would only work if new income streams could be generated. Never got anywhere, so it seems to me Dee4life are playing the long game and hopefully they will stick around. Would like to see them creating a rainy day fund raising option for supporters.

You must have missed the Dee4life AGM held by Zoom where during the Q and A it was explained by Ian Baird all the work he had put into buying back Dens Park from John Bennett in 2014.
The cost of repaying FPS after they had stated prior to the vote in August 2013 that they would buy back Dens Park for the Dundee supporters had been calculated on a repayment of 750k.
This consisted on 250k in donations.
A bank loan of 250k.
Fund raising of 250k.
Dens Park would be owned by the supporters probably in a Community Interest Company with Dundee Football Club Limited paying a peppercorn rent of one pound per annum.
Dundee Football Club would have a lease with them being responsible for all repairs and maintenance of Dens Park which happens at present.
250k of fund raising was a big ask but with a feel good factor at that time and the club back playing in the Premier League it was not insurmountable especially as fans buying back their football stadium would attract worldwide interest and donations from far and wide.
Importantly Dundee Football Club Limited would have no longer been paying an ever increasing annual rent to John Bennett of Sandeman Properties Limited.

[islaydarkblue]

Being anti Nelms and wanting answers and more open communication is two completely different things in my book.

There are some Dundee fans (not you) who seem to think Nelms shouldn't be held to account or have a question and answer.....his attitude towards fans is poor.....unless he thinks he can get something out of them.

The fans seem to be a pain to him.

Nelms is only interested in Yes men who do his bidding and will not ask awkward questions.

[islaydarkblue]

Try to put yourself in Nelms place. I have, and I would not be able, or want, to answer many of the questions asked by fans.

That isn't the same as giving him 100% for all his actions. Somehow there is a gap in our communications, and I agree with you that the only person who can fix that is John Nelms.

I think the way round it might be to use Gordon Strachan more. He is obviously heavily involved with our club and he might like speaking to the fans.

BBC Scotland The Nine were planning to broadcast at the end of October 2022 a article about the new stadium development at the former NCR Camperdown playing fields.
This was a month after the second Pre Application meeting held in the Landmark Hotel Dundee for new stadium development had taken place.
The Dee4life secretary at the time had been interviewed and BBC Scotland The Nine had contacted Dundee Football Club asking for an interview.
They never received a reply and the article was never broadcast.
Once again JN retreated into his bunker and waited until people gave up waiting for an answer.
In my opinion BBC Scotland The Nine should have broadcast the interview with the Dee4life secretary and stated that they had contacted the managing director of Dundee Football Club for an interview but at time of broadcast they had not received a reply.
That might have flushed John Nelms out of his bunker.

[islaydarkblue]

How does he know what the questions are?

Never mind though everything will be tickety boo when the stadium is built, full houses, European football, lashings to spend on the team......too many are clinging to this.

Cud just as easily be half built stadium, huge debt, nobody going.

Livvy playing in dark blue.

The debt would be the Directors of Dark Blue Property Holdings Limited problem.

[BCram]

BBC Scotland The Nine were planning to broadcast at the end of October 2022 a article about the new stadium development at the former NCR Camperdown playing fields.
This was a month after the second Pre Application meeting held in the Landmark Hotel Dundee for new stadium development had taken place.
The Dee4life secretary at the time had been interviewed and BBC Scotland The Nine had contacted Dundee Football Club asking for an interview.
They never received a reply and the article was never broadcast.
Once again JN retreated into his bunker and waited until people gave up waiting for an answer.
In my opinion BBC Scotland The Nine should have broadcast the interview with the Dee4life secretary and stated that they had contacted the managing director of Dundee Football Club for an interview but at time of broadcast they had not received a reply.
That might have flushed John Nelms out of his bunker.

To be honest Islay, I think picking on John Nelms is not working. Let's see what happens after the planning application decision is announced.

[islaydarkblue]

To be honest Islay, I think picking on John Nelms is not working. Let's see what happens after the planning application decision is announced.

People need to know that John Nelms shuts himself away in his bunker if he does not like being asked certain questions.
You would have thought that Nelms would have been happy to tell the viewers of BBC Scotland The Nine the latest news regarding his new stadium development at the former NCR Camperdown playing fields.
Instead we get no news apart from him periodically rolling out his Lego box design and now his computer aided design for his new stadium development.
Doing nothing and waiting to see what happens after the planning decision is announced is not an option.
Tim Keyes might decide to sell the site with planning permission, cut his losses and stop bankrolling Dundee Football Club Limited which would have disastrous consequences for Dundee FC possibly resulting in Admin 3.

[Deebunked]

You must have missed the Dee4life AGM held by Zoom where during the Q and A it was explained by Ian Baird all the work he had put into buying back Dens Park from John Bennett in 2014.
The cost of repaying FPS after they had stated prior to the vote in August 2013 that they would buy back Dens Park for the Dundee supporters had been calculated on a repayment of 750k.
This consisted on 250k in donations.
A bank loan of 250k.
Fund raising of 250k.
Dens Park would be owned by the supporters probably in a Community Interest Company with Dundee Football Club Limited paying a peppercorn rent of one pound per annum.
Dundee Football Club would have a lease with them being responsible for all repairs and maintenance of Dens Park which happens at present.
250k of fund raising was a big ask but with a feel good factor at that time and the club back playing in the Premier League it was not insurmountable especially as fans buying back their football stadium would attract worldwide interest and donations from far and wide.
Importantly Dundee Football Club Limited would have no longer been paying an ever increasing annual rent to John Bennett of Sandeman Properties Limited.

Can I ask why people would have got behind this plan if the organiser was the very group who arranged the ever increasing rent in the first place?

[islaydarkblue]

Can I ask why people would have got behind this plan if the organiser was the very group who arranged the ever increasing rent in the first place?

The Dundee supporters at the time were keen to buy back the title deeds of Dens Park from John Bennett. You might not have been keen on it and that is your choice.
Dens Park would have been held in a Community Interest Company the same as the current Dundee FC Academy Community Interest Company.

[Deebunked]

The Dundee supporters at the time were keen to buy back the title deeds of Dens Park from John Bennett. You might not have been keen on it and that is your choice.
Dens Park would have been held in a Community Interest Company the same as the current Dundee FC Academy Community Interest Company.

What Dundee supporters? There was no minuted dee4life board decision to meet with John Bennett and agree an increase year after year on the rent unnecessarily.

In fact the ridiculous rent was agreed and no attempt was ever made to buy dens, isn't that closer to the fact of it?