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There’s plenty of so called life long DFC fans that don’t go to games. That’s nothing to do with FPS.

I'll assume you quoted the wrong post.

Totally agree though, all experts on Dundee FC and all happy to grab any excuse not to go to Dens.

[BCram]

How are FPS going to get their money back if they are due ?7 million plus in loans plus we have managed to make a loss of ?2.8 million despite playing in the ?riches? of the Premier League last season.
A week past Wednesday after the end of Dave Forbes funeral a life long Dundee FC supporter told us that he longer goes to home games at Dens Park because he is scunnered with everything to do with Dundee Football Club.

If the stadium access is the only thing preventing development, why would it's removal also be a problem? Surely the planners can't have it both ways. No solution to access so no stadium does not imply, no stadium, no development? I don't know the answer to how much money they might make but it might be something for them to consider?

[islaydarkblue]

If the stadium access is the only thing preventing development, why would it's removal also be a problem? Surely the planners can't have it both ways. No solution to access so no stadium does not imply, no stadium, no development? I don't know the answer to how much money they might make but it might be something for them to consider?

In my opinion anyone with any sense would not build a 12,500 seat football stadium on a land locked site with the main access to the stadium car parks from the dual carriageway A90 trunk road from Glasgow and Edinburgh to Aberdeen.
In 2018 and 2019 I used to attend the Dee4life board of directors meetings as a non voting guest.
At every meeting I attended there was always a discussion about the new stadium development at Campy Nou including the latest progress.
Back then there were major problems about the access to the new stadium car parks before and exiting them after the game.
Bob Hynd told us in 2018 Police Scotland wanted all the spectators cars and supporters buses to be parked in the new stadium car parks which at that time had space allocated for 1,362 cars and 80 supporters buses.
Police Scotland did not want spectators parking their cars in the housing schemes and industrial estate on the opposite side of the Kingsway from the new stadium car parks in Campy Nou.
It would be interesting to know what Police Scotland’s latest position is regarding the directors of Dark Blue Property Holdings Limited latest solution to the supporters buses and cars being parked outwith the new stadium car parks which are now for only those and such as those.
Now seven years later nothing has been resolved regarding the parking problems for spectators attending home games at the new stadium car park at Campy Nou which gives me the impression that it suits John Nelms to keep kicking the can down the road’ and blaming everyone else for this impasse despite Nelms having known at least seven years ago that there was a major problem.

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In my opinion anyone with any sense would not build a 12,500 seat football stadium on a land locked site with the main access to the stadium car parks from the dual carriageway A90 trunk road from Glasgow and Edinburgh to Aberdeen.

And yet anyone with even a modicum of common sense can see that right on a major trunk road where traffic can access and egress quickly and efficiently without having to encounter traffic lights, roundabouts, housing schemes, pedestrians etc. on their way to the nearest major trunk road is exactly the right place for such a thing.

I'm sure Police Scotland will have been fully consulted on the latest traffic management plan and doubt it would have been submitted should they have proclaimed major misgivings.

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And yet anyone with even a modicum of common sense can see that right on a major trunk road where traffic can access and egress quickly and efficiently without having to encounter traffic lights, roundabouts, housing schemes, pedestrians etc. on their way to the nearest major trunk road is exactly the right place for such a thing.

I'm sure Police Scotland will have been fully consulted on the latest traffic management plan and doubt it would have been submitted should they have proclaimed major misgivings.

I agree with the initial comments. I think the problem is that there is not a suitable area to allow traffic queuing to enter the site and there is insufficient space allocated to car and bus parking available within the site.

[islaydarkblue]

And yet anyone with even a modicum of common sense can see that right on a major trunk road where traffic can access and egress quickly and efficiently without having to encounter traffic lights, roundabouts, housing schemes, pedestrians etc. on their way to the nearest major trunk road is exactly the right place for such a thing.

I'm sure Police Scotland will have been fully consulted on the latest traffic management plan and doubt it would have been submitted should they have proclaimed major misgivings.

Bob Hynd told us back in 2018 that the Scottish Government rules for vehicles exiting from a car park onto the slip road to a flyover have been changed and vehicles were now no longer permitted to exit a car park directly onto a slip road to a flyover.
Bob said that the exit road for vehicles leaving the Kingsway West retail park onto the slip road to the Crematorium roundabout would have been banned.

[islaydarkblue]

And yet anyone with even a modicum of common sense can see that right on a major trunk road where traffic can access and egress quickly and efficiently without having to encounter traffic lights, roundabouts, housing schemes, pedestrians etc. on their way to the nearest major trunk road is exactly the right place for such a thing.

I'm sure Police Scotland will have been fully consulted on the latest traffic management plan and doubt it would have been submitted should they have proclaimed major misgivings.

Has the latest traffic management plan actually been submitted by Dark Blue Property Holdings Limited to Transport Scotland who are still waiting for answers to the questions they sent to Nelms last year or has this latest traffic management plan been posted on the internet by Nelms as a deflection to avoid answering the questions from Transport Scotland.

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Has the latest traffic management plan actually been submitted by Dark Blue Property Holdings Limited to Transport Scotland who are still waiting for answers to the questions they sent to Nelms last year or has this latest traffic management plan been posted on the internet by Nelms as a deflection to avoid answering the questions from Transport Scotland.

Look at the planning department website. See submission 123. I think that is the club?s answer/plan for traffic and fan management.

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What has happened over the last week or so is fairly pathetic.

Backed into a corner with nowhere to hide and with season tics due Nelmsy has a pop at transport Scotland who unlike DSA and D4 l have a pop right back.

Groundhog day wee this arse.....and yet it still goes on.

Only talks when he has to, his way or no way.........ain't gonna work dealing with public bodies.

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Only talks when he has to, his way or no way

Was, is and always will be.

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Bob Hynd told us back in 2018 that the Scottish Government rules for vehicles exiting from a car park onto the slip road to a flyover have been changed and vehicles were now no longer permitted to exit a car park directly onto a slip road to a flyover.
Bob said that the exit road for vehicles leaving the Kingsway West retail park onto the slip road to the Crematorium roundabout would have been banned.

I'm fully aware of the revised slip road access regulation which is probably a well enough intentioned one. Seems overkill to me but what do I know? However, what I can't see is where the plans submitted for entry / egress to / from the site is on a slip road so your point is moot.

If the regulation had been revised prior to approval for the construction of Kingsway / McAlpine Road, Clepington Road and Kings Cross Road flyover then no doubt it wouldn't have been allowed (banned is the wrong word please do better research) and a re-design required.

[islaydarkblue]

What has happened over the last week or so is fairly pathetic.

Backed into a corner with nowhere to hide and with season tics due Nelmsy has a pop at transport Scotland who unlike DSA and D4 l have a pop right back.

Groundhog day wee this arse.....and yet it still goes on.

Only talks when he has to, his way or no way.........ain't gonna work dealing with public bodies.

I cannot understand why Dark Blue Property Holdings Limited want to build a new football stadium when the number of Dundee Football Club supporters regularly attending home games at Dens Park is falling every season.
There are reasons for this.
1. An aged support.
2. Divide and rule tactics by John Nelms.
3 The failure of the Dundee Football Club management to reinstate and organise the running of the Junior Dark Blues.
Most normal football clubs build a new stadium because they need to increase the capacity due to an excess demand for tickets at every home league game in their current ground.
That is certainly not the case with Dundee FC home games.
Bob Hynd told us that Nelms assumed that Dundee City Council would contribute 50% of the cost of the new stadium at Campy Nou because that is what happens in America.
If Nelms had done his homework he would have quickly discovered that Dark Blue Property Holdings Limited have to pay for the total cost of the new stadium at Campy Nou.

[islaydarkblue]

[QUOTE=Deeranged;40689824]I'm fully aware of the revised slip road access regulation which is probably a well enough intentioned one. Seems overkill to me but what do I know? However, what I can't see is where the plans submitted for entry / egress to / from the site is on a slip road so your point is moot.

If the regulation had been revised prior to approval for the construction of Kingsway / McAlpine Road, Clepington Road and Kings Cross Road flyover then no doubt it wouldn't have been allowed (banned is the wrong word please do better research) and a re-design required.[/QUOTE
The original plan in September 2017 was to use the previous entrance and exit road from the NCR Camperdown factory as the entrance and exit road from the new stadium car parks.
If you look at the plans for the new stadium development at Campy Nou published in December 2023 by Nelms’s latest firm of architects which showed a Computer Aided Design you will see they have shown both the entrance road from the A90 Kingsway to the new stadium car parks and a separate exit road from the new stadium car parks back onto the A90 Kingsway in breach of the laid down Scottish Government and Transport Scotland rules.

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I'm fully aware of the revised slip road access regulation which is probably a well enough intentioned one. Seems overkill to me but what do I know? However, what I can't see is where the plans submitted for entry / egress to / from the site is on a slip road so your point is moot.

If the regulation had been revised prior to approval for the construction of Kingsway / McAlpine Road, Clepington Road and Kings Cross Road flyover then no doubt it wouldn't have been allowed (banned is the wrong word please do better research) and a re-design required.[/QUOTE
The original plan in September 2017 was to use the previous entrance and exit road from the NCR Camperdown factory as the entrance and exit road from the new stadium car parks.
If you look at the plans for the new stadium development at Campy Nou published in December 2023 by Nelms’s latest firm of architects which showed a Computer Aided Design you will see they have shown both the entrance road from the A90 Kingsway to the new stadium car parks and a separate exit road from the new stadium car parks back onto the A90 Kingsway in breach of the laid down Scottish Government and Transport Scotland rules.

I looked at the plan issued most recently and it shows nothing of the sort.

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