The funsters

[DBDU]

I was looking for Uniteds highest ever average but can't seem to find it, and what year it was. Aberdeens was just over 24,000, that's some average . I suppose Celtic average over 50,000 now. Different world.

Yeah sadly it really is and how do we compete with that

[shedka]

Last compete top flight season for each side without any ground restrictions so ignore 2021/22 for both sides

United 2022/23
Average 9461
Position 12th

Dundee 2018/19
Average 6025
Position 12th

[DBDU]

Last compete top flight season for each side without any ground restrictions so ignore 2021/22 for both sides

United 2022/23
Average 9461
Position 12th

Dundee 2018/19
Average 6025
Position 12th

Serious question but what Ground restrictions were in place in season 2021/2022 when last both the clubs were in the SPL at same trime ?

[Piscean]

I think I've found Uniteds highest average, 12,830, for the 88'89 season. Can't seem to find a higher one. The grounds in Scotland are much smaller now so really big crowds are a thing of the past. Tannadice is about half it's old capacity, Dens a quarter. Easter Road once held 65,000, mental.

[DBDU]

I think I've found Uniteds highest average, 12,830, for the 88'89 season. Can't seem to find a higher one. The grounds in Scotland are much smaller now so really big crowds are a thing of the past. Tannadice is about half it's old capacity, Dens a quarter. Easter Road once held 65,000, mental.

I would have thought we would have had bigger averages in the league winning season or the following season that surprises me .

[Yeats 62]

and....I'm reliably informed they got more attending Cammy Kerrs testimonial 3000 than attended a recent home Scottish Cup tie v Motherwell 2000. Kinda sums up where they are really!

Only 3000 . For "one of their own" Who's career highlight is beating United, a true blue??? That can't be correct can it???

[TerryTheTerror]

Serious question but what Ground restrictions were in place in season 2021/2022 when last both the clubs were in the SPL at same trime ?

There were probably restrictions on crowds at stadia in 2021 because of COVID-19?

[Stoke_Arab]

I would have thought we would have had bigger averages in the league winning season or the following season that surprises me .

We were still growing our fanbase at that time, if the same thing happened now our average would be much higher if the Stadium capacity allowed for it.
We continued to grow our fanbase.
We took 28000 to Hampden for the 2010 cup final. In our first final in 74 which I attended there was maybe 5000?
In 50 years we have grown considerably as a club whereas in the same 50 years the Fun have declined considerably as a club.
I'm afraid that is undeniable fact.

[shedka]

There were probably restrictions on crowds at stadia in 2021 because of COVID-19?

Missed a probable sell out at home to Sevco in August and a big gate (likely 8-10k) at home to hibs on boxing day, enough to change an average over 19 games from 7100 to 8000

Ie total attendance across both games restricted to 5000 instead of 20000 roughly

135k divided by 19 or 150k divided by 19

[shedka]

We were still growing our fanbase at that time, if the same thing happened now our average would be much higher if the Stadium capacity allowed for it.
We continued to grow our fanbase.
We took 28000 to Hampden for the 2010 cup final. In our first final in 74 which I attended there was maybe 5000?
In 50 years we have grown considerably as a club whereas in the same 50 years the Fun have declined considerably as a club.
I'm afraid that is undeniable fact.

They are also missing the overall picture of fluctuations

Crowds in the old 18 team set up had dwindled by the early to mid 70, it took a few years of the Premier division for them to increase across the country again

The early 80s was only the beginning of that, by the late 80s crowds had really grew across all divisions again resulting in 1988/89 being our highest average

The was another drop off early 90s and another period where they picked up again late 90s (not preventing a 2,700 average attendance in 1997 for the dees right enough while we were at 9,300)

Same story this century, a drop off early on then a big increase in mid noughties, a drop off early 2010's and a good increase again in recent seasons, maybe helped by people missing it during covid?

[DBDU]

There were probably restrictions on crowds at stadia in 2021 because of COVID-19?

Not really No.

The early league cup matches were still restricted then both clubs had their first home league match restricted but after that the restrictions were lifted for the entire season .

[DBDU]

We were still growing our fanbase at that time, if the same thing happened now our average would be much higher if the Stadium capacity allowed for it.
We continued to grow our fanbase.
We took 28000 to Hampden for the 2010 cup final. In our first final in 74 which I attended there was maybe 5000?
In 50 years we have grown considerably as a club whereas in the same 50 years the Fun have declined considerably as a club.
I'm afraid that is undeniable fact.

Im in total agreement , im not for a second disputing any of that but that's also not what I am saying either .

[DBDU]

Missed a probable sell out at home to Sevco in August and a big gate (likely 8-10k) at home to hibs on boxing day, enough to change an average over 19 games from 7100 to 8000

Ie total attendance across both games restricted to 5000 instead of 20000 roughly

135k divided by 19 or 150k divided by 19

Unless im mistaken both clubs still had restrictions in place that effected their first home matches then after that the restrictions were lifted . If that's the case which I'm pretty sure it is but will check , the fact we also had an extra top 6 match against the Old firm that the fun never enjoed would have surely offset that anyway .

[Stoke_Arab]

Whichever way you slice it, to suggest the two clubs are about the same size is incorrect by nearly any measurement.

Season tickets sold
Actual attendances (in both divisions)
More recent silverware
*other measurements available 😎

Is one club bigger by these measurements alone. Yes.

[DBDU]

Whichever way you slice it, to suggest the two clubs are about the same size is incorrect by nearly any measurement.

Season tickets sold
Actual attendances (in both divisions)
More recent silverware
*other measurements available ��

Is one club bigger by these measurements alone. Yes.

I dont agree with any of that apart from the success of the two sides which happily in recent history we are way in front ..

For me season ticket sales can be higher at one club rather than another but if you end up with similar attendances is that really a factor .. im not so sure it is ?
I know quite a few fellow arabs from outside of city who are season ticket holders but also a lot of regulars who attend dens who are local guys but don't have season tickets so perhaps the location of certain section of our fan base may also be reflected in that difference .

Either way i don't think season ticket sales give a true reflection if I'm being honest, its surely down to average attendances not who chooses to buy them up front .

While i do not doubt our average home attendances are better I still think that could quite easily swing the other way relatively quickly and easily given circumstances .