Ok, not football at all, but it matters, eventually.

[WTF11]

The reality is that Iran is not in anyone's hands right now other than the Iranian people. Trump's comments are merely meant to temper the killing that we all know is going to occur. The Persians are intelligent people and they've had enough. It has to be their doing for what the future holds for them. I am most hopeful for them that the money now used for world terrorism will go toward the improving their lives and most importantly allows the women the right to be educated and having legal rights.

If Trump threatening the regime to not kill innocent people in their country stops even a small number of deaths isn't that a good thing? I really don't see any down side.

There has been no change of.the regime in Iran, the country is under the control of the clerics and IRG, NOT the Iranian people. Trump by his bluster and hyperbole has emboldened the protesters, over 500 of whom have now been killed with many of those arrested during the protests awaiting summary execution. He hasn't stopped ANY deaths, quite the contrary, his actions have brought more protestors onto the streets, increasing the likelihood of deaths and arrests.

If he can't or won't live up to his threats he should just keep quiet and let the Iranian people determine what their course of action. Right now he IS the downside you don't want to see.

[spaldy]

The Furher, on paper, controlled Germany in late April and First week of May in 1945. He was moving around imaginary armies. The regime is moving around imaginary money. In the end both countries have failed

I guess the downside on Trump is his destroying the bulk of their Nuke program this summer. I?m sure the regime would have been real responsible with those right about now

[WTF11]

The Furher, on paper, controlled Germany in late April and First week of May in 1945. He was moving around imaginary armies. The regime is moving around imaginary money. In the end both countries have failed

I guess the downside on Trump is his destroying the bulk of their Nuke program this summer. I?m sure the regime would have been real responsible with those right about now

The Iranian regime may, as you suggest, be overseeing a failed country. As with all dictatorships however, only when tens of thousands, millions perhaps, have suffered and died will those at the top of the tree pay the price of their failure.

Iran has, and had, no effective delivery mechanism capable of striking any credible target (Israel being the only real target and they have both the defensive capability to combat an Iranian attack and most certainly the offensive capacity to erase most of Iran should they choose).

Much more likely, and we see the evidence in the increasing body count of protesters, is a new, more vicious crack-down by the regime, it's what they have done on every occasion when opposition puts it's head above the parapet. Unfortunately on this occasion we had Trump, who for reasons tied almost entirely to his over-inflated ego, chose to make boasts of action to support the protestors he is either unable or unwilling to make good on, apparently uncaring of fate of.those who were encouraged by his bluster. They paid the price, theirs is the downside.

[ozleeds]

The reality is that Iran is not in anyone's hands right now other than the Iranian people. Trump's comments are merely meant to temper the killing that we all know is going to occur. The Persians are intelligent people and they've had enough. It has to be their doing for what the future holds for them. I am most hopeful for them that the money now used for world terrorism will go toward the improving their lives and most importantly allows the women the right to be educated and having legal rights.

If Trump threatening the regime to not kill innocent people in their country stops even a small number of deaths isn't that a good thing? I really don't see any down side.

They left Christianity to follow a pedophile, become human bombs, and they allow regimes to run and destroy their lives. I think they are not that smart at all.

[WTF11]

The Furher, on paper, controlled Germany in late April and First week of May in 1945. He was moving around imaginary armies. The regime is moving around imaginary money. In the end both countries have failed

I guess the downside on Trump is his destroying the bulk of their Nuke program this summer. I?m sure the regime would have been real responsible with those right about now

And now we see reputable estimates of fatalities from the streets of Iran running into the thousands, not the hundreds and on-the ground reports from brave protestors who are prepared to risk their lives by filming many sites being used as open-air morgue which suggest those estimates are grossly under reporting.

And what does Trump do? He urges Iranians to carry on protesting, saying "Help is on the way". He has no shame.

[spaldy]

Your hatred for him is really not healthy. Life is really too short to stew in your own juices over this guy.

The reality is that he's done more in 6 months than any president has done since the Shah was deposed. More importantly it's what he hasn't done.... He hasn't given intelligence information to the IIRG like Obama did in 2009. That resulted in thousands of pro freedom Iranians being killed and tortured. He also hasn't given Billions of dollars (US dollars... no less) to the Regime like Biden did in 2021 which also resulted in 10's of thousands of deaths worldwide due to terrorist operations that were funded by these US dollars. US dollars work real well for weapons purchases.

He blew up the nuke program with a brilliantly orchestrated air strike that really could only have been done by one country in the world. You could argue that he's saved countless lives and not a stretch to say he saved the world from another world war. Once someone starts lobbing nukes it's not like anyone is going to be restrained when their country is hit by a nuke. One errant missile hitting Paris, London, Berlin or Madrid and it's game over.

He's also ramped up the sanctions and is now enforcing reverse tariffs on anyone who supplies them with trade (money).

Short of boots on the ground he's done more than anyone else by a significant margin unless you count sternly worded messages from the UN and the EU.

Chill on the hate and let it play out. If nothing else maybe they'll stop funding world terrorism and we'll all be better off.

[WTF11]

Your hatred for him is really not healthy. Life is really too short to stew in your own juices over this guy.

The reality is that he's done more in 6 months than any president has done since the Shah was deposed. More importantly it's what he hasn't done.... He hasn't given intelligence information to the IIRG like Obama did in 2009. That resulted in thousands of pro freedom Iranians being killed and tortured. He also hasn't given Billions of dollars (US dollars... no less) to the Regime like Biden did in 2021 which also resulted in 10's of thousands of deaths worldwide due to terrorist operations that were funded by these US dollars. US dollars work real well for weapons purchases.

He blew up the nuke program with a brilliantly orchestrated air strike that really could only have been done by one country in the world. You could argue that he's saved countless lives and not a stretch to say he saved the world from another world war. Once someone starts lobbing nukes it's not like anyone is going to be restrained when their country is hit by a nuke. One errant missile hitting Paris, London, Berlin or Madrid and it's game over.

He's also ramped up the sanctions and is now enforcing reverse tariffs on anyone who supplies them with trade (money).

Short of boots on the ground he's done more than anyone else by a significant margin unless you count sternly worded messages from the UN and the EU.

Chill on the hate and let it play out. If nothing else maybe they'll stop funding world terrorism and we'll all be better off.

Said before that hate is a very strong emotion and I don't apply that feeling to many. Trump I'll make an exception for, given the pain and suffering he inflicts, the divisions in society he generates, the unbridled greed he exudes at every turn, his inability to string and intelligent sentence together simply makes all the above and more all the more perplexing having convinced a sizeable proportion of citizens of the US that he actually knows what he's doing.

That having been said, I don't "stew in my own juices" over the man, he's not worth that and I comment on his actions only when they occur, not constantly (as a stew would imply).

I don't deny that other administrations have made catastrophic mistakes, but no president has ever gone on the record to encourage largely unarmed civilian Iranian protestors to go onto the streets and been killed as a result.

Said.previously that Iran had no viable delivery mechanism for nuclear weapons. The strikes on Iran's nuclear programme has set it back, but only partially. The destruction of the centrifuges used to refine materials required for weapon production was a good thing, but it wasn't an end point. At the time of the strike Iran did NOT have adequate fissile material to make a SINGLE viable weapon, never mind multiple weapons capable of being "lobbed" anywhere. The CIA, the NSA and the Atomic Energy Authority (the last independent body to review their programme), all support that view
Prevention is better than cure, I'll give you that, but the strikes didn't destroy nukes, missiles or anything like, they couldn't have because those things didn't exist. And by the way, it was the US military who executed the strike, NOT Trump!

Trump has saved no-one in any conflict area in the world. Hundreds, maybe thousand continue to die in Gaza, the West Bank, Sudan, the Democratic Republic of Africa, Nigeria, etc etc etc. He has stopped NO WARS ANYWHERE ON THE GLOBE. Again, the US government structures responsible for security assessments have said as much.

Carry on believing the hogwash that emanates from Truth Social and see what happens in the days to come. In terms of Iran, that will feature many more civilian deaths, summary executions, and a return to the kind of dictatorial regime we saw in the immediate aftermath of the overthrow of the Shah, including the funding and resource support to terrorism groups worldwide.

Unless if course Trump extracts his thumbs from his anal canal and actually does something worthwhile by delivering on his claims.

[Oranje White]

@WTF...."suffering he inflicts"?? Seriously?? He enforces the laws that criminals and the crazed left don't like. He roots out multi $billion fraudsters that the fraudsters don't like it. He removes ILLEGAL immigrants that upsets the illegal immigrants. He may not be perfect but he is a patriot. Every legal immigrant I spoke to is 100% behind what he does. Me thinks you rely on the proven liars of the BBC and those trash left wing fools that masquerade as journalists whose only job is to brainwash the gullible into hating Trump. You do know why the Somalian fraudsters hate him, right? Because he has uncovered their fraud!!!! You think he's racist for that, right?
And for Trump's next trick, after getting you to defend drug cartels, illegal immigrants, criminals, corruption, BLM, gender reassignment for minors, murderers, rapists etc, he will soon have you defending Newsom.....the worst most corrupt govenor in possibly the world.

[Rev72]

Would rather have a Trump than a Starmer !

That's my political rant for this thread.

Cheers.

[whitestomper45]

Come on Oranje, WTF (alias Mr Angry) has to vent his spleen somewhere on here, he?s had to put on hold til the next opportunity re the football 😀 tho to paraphrase him on another football thread, it?s not as if Donald reads these threads?. does he?

[alfinyalcabo]

I agree wholeheartedly with what Wtf says about Trump,the man is a complete @rsehole.

[WTF11]

Come on Oranje, WTF (alias Mr Angry) has to vent his spleen somewhere on here, he?s had to put on hold til the next opportunity re the football 😀 tho to paraphrase him on another football thread, it?s not as if Donald reads these threads?. does he?

I'm expressing an opinion about the actions of one of the most powerful man in the world. I'm doing so in measured terms and using moderate language in order to do so. Would that those who choose to respond would do the same (as if!). I note that my observations about the risks to NATO of Trumps lusting for Greenland, the disastrous consequences of Trumps encouragement to Iranians protestors, or the Iranian regime "lobbing nukes" have gone unchallenged (hardly surprising as they are based on verifiable facts, unlike the drivel that outlets like Truth Social continue to regurgitate.

[Billyni]

You know a threads going down hill when Alf gets involved.

[spaldy]

Am I missing something? I?ve never seen or looked at Truth social. Is that the new Washington Post or New York Times?

Alf is correct that Trump is an ass. Frankly, almost every effective world leader is. It goes with the job. You don?t make decisions that affect the every citizen or the world without winners and losers. You also can?t make decisions by polls and committees.

The question people have in every country is my leader looking after my countries and my families best interest. Whether you like or hate Trump his decisions are often clear that his decisions are based on what?s best for the US

No doubt that Xi?s and Putin supporters feel the same way

Many other countries leaders instill little of no confidence in their citizens of their country or the rest of the world.

[WTF11]

Am I missing something? I?ve never seen or looked at Truth social. Is that the new Washington Post or New York Times?

Alf is correct that Trump is an ass. Frankly, almost every effective world leader is. It goes with the job. You don?t make decisions that affect the every citizen or the world without winners and losers. You also can?t make decisions by polls and committees.

The question people have in every country is my leader looking after my countries and my families best interest. Whether you like or hate Trump his decisions are often clear that his decisions are based on what?s best for the US

No doubt that Xi?s and Putin supporters feel the same way

Many other countries leaders instill little of no confidence in their citizens of their country or the rest of the world.

Surprisingly I agree with much of that. Would that the observation about Trumps decisions being what's best for the US was included in that agreement. His decisions, both on the domestic and international fronts, have been made with a couple of key objectives: the expansion of his profile, the corresponding expansion of his and his family's bank balance, the delivery to his backers in the Presidential election campaign of the promises made.

Few if any of the results benefit the vast majority of US citizens. Inflation across all sectors is up, employment is down (and surprise after the efforts of DOGE), government debt is spiralling upwards out of control, the courts are unable to cope with "normal" demand given the sackings/resignations amongst the attorney community, citizens of colour (legal US citizens), fear the actions of ICE and other federally directed agencies, federal authorities are withdrawing federal funds from parts of the US which are opposed to many of the Presidents "initiatives" and whilst you and others who support Trump may not care, the image of the USA and the office of POTUS are much diminished, with bully-boy behaviour replacing the use of diplomacy and soft-power, without any significant benefit to anyone.

You compare the support Trump has with that of two of the most abhorrent single-party state dictators. What an awful parallel to draw