Ok, not football at all, but it matters, eventually.

[WTF11]

Since you are rather fond of correcting posters on inconsequential items such as Switzerland not being EU. They are a money laundering scheme so they can't take sides on anything. You also seem very fond of ranting about trump items such as hookers urinating on him in moscow along with the 1000 other stories that make a spash on the headlines and then are quietly corrected in the 18th page in the smallest font the paper has.

Allow me to correct this post. It's actually a big one and something that affected the entire world and established a new world order that we may never recover from. The debt alone from Covid will bankrupt future generations for many countries.

It's not a "consipiracy" when something is proving factual. I have no idea what you are on about regarding Covid. It's been established that it broke out of a lab in Wuhan and the chinese covered it up. It's also been all but proven that it did not arise our of a mutation of some animal or bat as the chinese propaganda stated.

The other points on my post are rather easy to verify.

Most damning is your inability to understand the level of evil and depravity this scam perpetuated on humanity. It's a crime against humanity that pales against anything short of the holocaust. A generation or children were scarred emotionally and academically. Trust in world organizations and governments damaged or eliminated and freedoms lost that will never be regained throughout anything but bloodshed and war. The damage to the media and "journalists" is profound. Trust is at an all time low and they are little more that mouthpieces for what their employer tells them to say/write. They are being replaced by social media and the internet which is not good for anyone.

Perhaps the most immediate impact is on the medical profession. Many people were badly damaged by the vaccines and have lifetime damage that will never recover from. Even to this day the vaccines have never been approved by many countries certifiers (FDA in the US) and still hiding behind their absolute waiver of any liability even when damages are proven. The trust lost in the system, which is universal, may never be regained. Doctors, once held in the highest esteem, are perceived as little different than a politician or lawyer. They are a tool of our rulers and forced injections on all of us... especially young children who got little more than the sniffles when exposed.

Your hatred of Trump has clouded your ability to identify whats really important. I'm really glad that the people in charge after WW2 didn't take the posture of "moving on" and just overlook the crime against humanity that the Nazis were. The impact from Covid is almost as bad as that was and will have a world wide impact just like WW2 did.

I ask again (you failed to answer), who, or what will be able to mount the kind of investigation you and others appear to want?

I agree with you regarding how big an impact the withdrawal of the USA and the funds it gave to WHO, but that withdrawal reduces WHO capabilities and hence the likelihood of any action on their part.

My feelings towards Trump isn't in the slightest clouding my view if his actions. My suggestion of "moving on" reflects EXACTLY what happened at the end of WWII, where the war crimes trials brought the Nazi criminals to justice AND THE MARSHALL PLAN SHOWED THE WAY FORWARD, not the vindictive and ultimately counter-productive actions of the victors of WW1, which led inevitably to the roots of WWII.

[WTF11]

Since you are rather fond of correcting posters on inconsequential items such as Switzerland not being EU. They are a money laundering scheme so they can't take sides on anything. You also seem very fond of ranting about trump items such as hookers urinating on him in moscow along with the 1000 other stories that make a spash on the headlines and then are quietly corrected in the 18th page in the smallest font the paper has.

Allow me to correct this post. It's actually a big one and something that affected the entire world and established a new world order that we may never recover from. The debt alone from Covid will bankrupt future generations for many countries.

It's not a "consipiracy" when something is proving factual. I have no idea what you are on about regarding Covid. It's been established that it broke out of a lab in Wuhan and the chinese covered it up. It's also been all but proven that it did not arise our of a mutation of some animal or bat as the chinese propaganda stated.

The other points on my post are rather easy to verify.

Most damning is your inability to understand the level of evil and depravity this scam perpetuated on humanity. It's a crime against humanity that pales against anything short of the holocaust. A generation or children were scarred emotionally and academically. Trust in world organizations and governments damaged or eliminated and freedoms lost that will never be regained throughout anything but bloodshed and war. The damage to the media and "journalists" is profound. Trust is at an all time low and they are little more that mouthpieces for what their employer tells them to say/write. They are being replaced by social media and the internet which is not good for anyone.

Perhaps the most immediate impact is on the medical profession. Many people were badly damaged by the vaccines and have lifetime damage that will never recover from. Even to this day the vaccines have never been approved by many countries certifiers (FDA in the US) and still hiding behind their absolute waiver of any liability even when damages are proven. The trust lost in the system, which is universal, may never be regained. Doctors, once held in the highest esteem, are perceived as little different than a politician or lawyer. They are a tool of our rulers and forced injections on all of us... especially young children who got little more than the sniffles when exposed.

Your hatred of Trump has clouded your ability to identify whats really important. I'm really glad that the people in charge after WW2 didn't take the posture of "moving on" and just overlook the crime against humanity that the Nazis were. The impact from Covid is almost as bad as that was and will have a world wide impact just like WW2 did.

Btw, try finding ANY post from me regarding urinating hookers, on Trump or anyone else and/or anywhere else.

[WTF11]

Since you are rather fond of correcting posters on inconsequential items such as Switzerland not being EU. They are a money laundering scheme so they can't take sides on anything. You also seem very fond of ranting about trump items such as hookers urinating on him in moscow along with the 1000 other stories that make a spash on the headlines and then are quietly corrected in the 18th page in the smallest font the paper has.

Allow me to correct this post. It's actually a big one and something that affected the entire world and established a new world order that we may never recover from. The debt alone from Covid will bankrupt future generations for many countries.

It's not a "consipiracy" when something is proving factual. I have no idea what you are on about regarding Covid. It's been established that it broke out of a lab in Wuhan and the chinese covered it up. It's also been all but proven that it did not arise our of a mutation of some animal or bat as the chinese propaganda stated.

The other points on my post are rather easy to verify.

Most damning is your inability to understand the level of evil and depravity this scam perpetuated on humanity. It's a crime against humanity that pales against anything short of the holocaust. A generation or children were scarred emotionally and academically. Trust in world organizations and governments damaged or eliminated and freedoms lost that will never be regained throughout anything but bloodshed and war. The damage to the media and "journalists" is profound. Trust is at an all time low and they are little more that mouthpieces for what their employer tells them to say/write. They are being replaced by social media and the internet which is not good for anyone.

Perhaps the most immediate impact is on the medical profession. Many people were badly damaged by the vaccines and have lifetime damage that will never recover from. Even to this day the vaccines have never been approved by many countries certifiers (FDA in the US) and still hiding behind their absolute waiver of any liability even when damages are proven. The trust lost in the system, which is universal, may never be regained. Doctors, once held in the highest esteem, are perceived as little different than a politician or lawyer. They are a tool of our rulers and forced injections on all of us... especially young children who got little more than the sniffles when exposed.

Your hatred of Trump has clouded your ability to identify whats really important. I'm really glad that the people in charge after WW2 didn't take the posture of "moving on" and just overlook the crime against humanity that the Nazis were. The impact from Covid is almost as bad as that was and will have a world wide impact just like WW2 did.

And hating Trump is an increasingly frequently expressed emotion, ask any member of non-USA NATO armed forces, whether they served alongside US forces in Afghanistan or not.

[spaldy]

You are correct on my not answering what I would do and I generally try to present an answer to anything I'm complaining about. Doesn't mean I'm right or demanding my course of action. Just taught that before I complain make sure it's a complaint that can be addressed.

The fact is that the whole key to covid runs through wuhan. We learn nothing until we learn how it developed and then started. It's totally reasonable to require a country that a pandemic starts in to allow a full and complete investigation. Generally that's just a matter of a virus mutating or changing and then breaking out. It can be established and verified. Viruses, Bacteria and fungi all have periodic outbreaks. Some or much more lethal than others (Hong Kong, H1N1 and swine flu to name a few) and a forensic study is done to see what could be done to prevent that in the future. Not an exercise in finger pointing but a study on prevention (if possible).

This has not occurred at all in this case. First time in modern history. It's also a lab that modifies and studies viruses. It's a serious, serious matter. The next incident might be the one that wipes out our species. Personally, I can't see any reason why you mutate viruses for any reason other than bio weapons or mass extinction of a ethnic or age group. Sure would be convenient for Xi if he could wipe out the Uighurs or elderly with a virus.

The obvious first step is cutting them out of all world organizations such as WHO, UN and most importantly the World Trade organization. It's a matter of degrees. Many people, including trump, say that's "too far" and could lead to world hostilities. It is an act of economic warfare but if you aren't going to make a country comply with basic rules regarding world health and pandemics the that country is already at war with the world anyway. The next release can and will likely be worse. They showed absolutely no concern for their own people much less than any of the rest of the world. Frankly, I think the allowance of infected Wuhan residents to leave the country for travel elsewhere in the world but not in their own country was a crime against humanity that was a clear cut as any in my lifetime.

Doing nothing is not really an option as is normally the case when you are dealing with ruthless dictators. Stand your ground or lose worse the next time.

[WTF11]

You are correct on my not answering what I would do and I generally try to present an answer to anything I'm complaining about. Doesn't mean I'm right or demanding my course of action. Just taught that before I complain make sure it's a complaint that can be addressed.

The fact is that the whole key to covid runs through wuhan. We learn nothing until we learn how it developed and then started. It's totally reasonable to require a country that a pandemic starts in to allow a full and complete investigation. Generally that's just a matter of a virus mutating or changing and then breaking out. It can be established and verified. Viruses, Bacteria and fungi all have periodic outbreaks. Some or much more lethal than others (Hong Kong, H1N1 and swine flu to name a few) and a forensic study is done to see what could be done to prevent that in the future. Not an exercise in finger pointing but a study on prevention (if possible).

This has not occurred at all in this case. First time in modern history. It's also a lab that modifies and studies viruses. It's a serious, serious matter. The next incident might be the one that wipes out our species. Personally, I can't see any reason why you mutate viruses for any reason other than bio weapons or mass extinction of a ethnic or age group. Sure would be convenient for Xi if he could wipe out the Uighurs or elderly with a virus.

The obvious first step is cutting them out of all world organizations such as WHO, UN and most importantly the World Trade organization. It's a matter of degrees. Many people, including trump, say that's "too far" and could lead to world hostilities. It is an act of economic warfare but if you aren't going to make a country comply with basic rules regarding world health and pandemics the that country is already at war with the world anyway. The next release can and will likely be worse. They showed absolutely no concern for their own people much less than any of the rest of the world. Frankly, I think the allowance of infected Wuhan residents to leave the country for travel elsewhere in the world but not in their own country was a crime against humanity that was a clear cut as any in my lifetime.

Doing nothing is not really an option as is normally the case when you are dealing with ruthless dictators. Stand your ground or lose worse the next time.

And again I ask, who will "cut them (the Chinese)" out of any of the organisation's you refer to?

Who will make them "comply with basic rules regarding world health"?

And just what is "stand your ground etc etc...." meant to imply? Who/what are you referring to?

If none of your demands can be actioned, what is the point of them, other than to assuage your frustration at being as powerless as the rest of the little people?

The USA has great influence and could have much more if it's leadership (not just Trump), had the faintest idea as to how to genuinely and productively leverage its power. All that the current leadership "knows" at present is how to insult, bully, bribe and behave like a spoilt child, taking it's ball home because it doesn't like how things are turning out.

[spaldy]

I suspect that all of the countries that Xi will talk to as well as the WHO have asked him to allow an investigation. We see how effective that has been.

A simple one that every country could do is to ban all Chinese students from admission in any university and expel,/ deport them until an investigation is conducted. Many are CCP plants anyway.

I understand your loathing for the US and its actions but the reality is we are not taking people from their homeland forcibly, packing them in box cars and ?re-educating them? making them work in horrid sweat shops. We aren?t blocking off access to the US waterways, we aren?t stealing trade secrets, patents or intelectual property or confiscating companies. Most important to me and many people in the world we aren?t banning them from practicing their faith.

No reasonable American thinks we are perfect or even good in a lot of cases but it?s becoming very obvious that the choice is going to be between China or the US. If you decide not to stand your ground the Chinese will make that choice for you just like they are doing in Hong Kong, Southeast Asia and soon Taiwan. For a simple mind like mine I can?t help but notice that no one is illegaly entering China and wanting to stay there

[WTF11]

I suspect that all of the countries that Xi will talk to as well as the WHO have asked him to allow an investigation. We see how effective that has been.

A simple one that every country could do is to ban all Chinese students from admission in any university and expel,/ deport them until an investigation is conducted. Many are CCP plants anyway.

I understand your loathing for the US and its actions but the reality is we are not taking people from their homeland forcibly, packing them in box cars and ?re-educating them? making them work in horrid sweat shops. We aren?t blocking off access to the US waterways, we aren?t stealing trade secrets, patents or intelectual property or confiscating companies. Most important to me and many people in the world we aren?t banning them from practicing their faith.

No reasonable American thinks we are perfect or even good in a lot of cases but it?s becoming very obvious that the choice is going to be between China or the US. If you decide not to stand your ground the Chinese will make that choice for you just like they are doing in Hong Kong, Southeast Asia and soon Taiwan. For a simple mind like mine I can?t help but notice that no one is illegaly entering China and wanting to stay there

For the umpteenth F00KING TIME, I DO NOT "LOATHE THE USA!" I have lived and worked amongst Americans from just about all places and all backgrounds and I have the utmost respect for their hard work and open-heartedness.

What I find both frustrating and annoying about your inability or unwillingness to answer what are relatively simple questions is that by obfuscating and avoiding you illustrate the emptiness of what you wish for and the means to achieve it.

Just EXACTLY what does "stand your ground" mean in the context of this dialogue?

If you can't (or won't), answer just shut the f00k up because all you're doing is emitting hot air.

[Monaco_Totty]

Reading this thread tonight & latching onto health care around the globe comments.

Anxiety is one of the most prevalent mental illnesses of which I can certainly vouch for after sharing psychiatric wards in my past.
Anxiety in the U.S is now affecting 40 million adults in the country, so reading Spaldys sound-bites over the the years I can certainly see his point of view across his 'health care' spectrums he often comments on.

As for 'my take' on global health care then the biggest problem with global healthcare today is profound inequity in access to quality care & essential services, driven by a combination of underfunding, workforce shortages & the increasing burden of chronic diseases.

A decade of underfunding has left many systems with weak infrastructure lacking capacity, which was certainly severely exposed by the COVID-19 pandemic, imo.

I am now busy working part-time at Saint Nazaire Psychological centre providing psychological assessments for their collaborative process to evaluate personalised needs of 'young persons' mental health - so using my degree positively.

My biggest gripe of mental health care was/is the taking of more than 5 medications, aka polypharmacy.
The risk of harmful effects, drug interactions & hospitalisations increase when you take more medications - such risks that I was asked to put pen to paper over my experience of being a patient.

The gist of my personal 'report' I issued was Psychiatrists these days do almost exclusively medication management. They do have some training in providing psychotherapy but no insurance company will pay them the equivalent of 4x15 minute med checks to do an hour of therapy.
Of course my meds back then where creating me more problems alongside the pharmacists wheeling 'em out for me take like clock work.
Main problem in health facillities was & still is of experienced staff shortages of course.
But no matter what there are always plenty of pharmacists 'tho on duty & at hand 24/7 dishing out the tabs.
Says alot about the alleged support of a caring society today, imo, as in just take the meds, shut up, get discharged & keep taking the meds - until such decisions are challenged as in my past case.

The 'pandemic' demonstrated that no one is safe until everyone is safe, allegedly.
Reinforcing the urgent need for a shift toward sustainable & equitable health systems. 👍

We can only dream of such a day but in my case it was duty nurses who took the time to listen who got better results with patients day in & certainly not the vast array of medication forced upon one, for sure, imo.
We all know too who will be producing the medications of the future as well as China is really upping its production for global consumption.

Just saying

[ozleeds]

Reading this thread tonight & latching onto health care around the globe comments.

Anxiety is one of the most prevalent mental illnesses of which I can certainly vouch for after sharing psychiatric wards in my past.
Anxiety in the U.S is now affecting 40 million adults in the country, so reading Spaldys sound-bites over the the years I can certainly see his point of view across his 'health care' spectrums he often comments on.

As for 'my take' on global health care then the biggest problem with global healthcare today is profound inequity in access to quality care & essential services, driven by a combination of underfunding, workforce shortages & the increasing burden of chronic diseases.

A decade of underfunding has left many systems with weak infrastructure lacking capacity, which was certainly severely exposed by the COVID-19 pandemic, imo.

I am now busy working part-time at Saint Nazaire Psychological centre providing psychological assessments for their collaborative process to evaluate personalised needs of 'young persons' mental health - so using my degree positively.

My biggest gripe of mental health care was/is the taking of more than 5 medications, aka polypharmacy.
The risk of harmful effects, drug interactions & hospitalisations increase when you take more medications - such risks that I was asked to put pen to paper over my experience of being a patient.

The gist of my personal 'report' I issued was Psychiatrists these days do almost exclusively medication management. They do have some training in providing psychotherapy but no insurance company will pay them the equivalent of 4x15 minute med checks to do an hour of therapy.
Of course my meds back then where creating me more problems alongside the pharmacists wheeling 'em out for me take like clock work.
Main problem in health facillities was & still is of experienced staff shortages of course.
But no matter what there are always plenty of pharmacists 'tho on duty & at hand 24/7 dishing out the tabs.
Says alot about the alleged support of a caring society today, imo, as in just take the meds, shut up, get discharged & keep taking the meds - until such decisions are challenged as in my past case.

The 'pandemic' demonstrated that no one is safe until everyone is safe, allegedly.
Reinforcing the urgent need for a shift toward sustainable & equitable health systems. ��

We can only dream of such a day but in my case it was duty nurses who took the time to listen who got better results with patients day in & certainly not the vast array of medication forced upon one, for sure, imo.
We all know too who will be producing the medications of the future as well as China is really upping its production for global consumption.

Just saying

Reading some comments here Totty is enough to give anyone anxiety lol

[Billyni]

Reading some comments here Totty is enough to give anyone anxiety lol

You had better insert a comma there, after totty, or you're in real trouble.

[Oranje White]

Anxiety!! When the lying corrupt media are forever telling us that covid will kill us, the world will burn up under climate change (another scam). Oceans will rise up and we'll drown. Measles, Ebola, Monkey Pox, Bird Flu, plastics, oil and gas, dairy products, red meat, too much coffee, AIDS, not enough cardio, sugar, etc etc will kill us. We must look like a model or else we're hideous freaks. We must have a good job and have a nice electric car (another scam) etc people may get anxious! Or we could just ignore the proven liars from the ABC, BBC, CNN, MSNBC, TVNZ and those other garbage networks and live a life relatively free from anxiety. Ignore Instagram. Ignore social media too.

[WTF11]

Anxiety!! When the lying corrupt media are forever telling us that covid will kill us, the world will burn up under climate change (another scam). Oceans will rise up and we'll drown. Measles, Ebola, Monkey Pox, Bird Flu, plastics, oil and gas, dairy products, red meat, too much coffee, AIDS, not enough cardio, sugar, etc etc will kill us. We must look like a model or else we're hideous freaks. We must have a good job and have a nice electric car (another scam) etc people may get anxious! Or we could just ignore the proven liars from the ABC, BBC, CNN, MSNBC, TVNZ and those other garbage networks and live a life relatively free from anxiety. Ignore Instagram. Ignore social media too.

Well well well, a degree of agreement....not on climate change I'm afraid, too much evidence of my own eyes to consider it a scam, but ignoring (or at least taking with large doses of salt), the stuff that ALL media, particularly the social media platforms, churns out I wholeheartedly agree with.

[ozleeds]

Anxiety!! When the lying corrupt media are forever telling us that covid will kill us, the world will burn up under climate change (another scam). Oceans will rise up and we'll drown. Measles, Ebola, Monkey Pox, Bird Flu, plastics, oil and gas, dairy products, red meat, too much coffee, AIDS, not enough cardio, sugar, etc etc will kill us. We must look like a model or else we're hideous freaks. We must have a good job and have a nice electric car (another scam) etc people may get anxious! Or we could just ignore the proven liars from the ABC, BBC, CNN, MSNBC, TVNZ and those other garbage networks and live a life relatively free from anxiety. Ignore Instagram. Ignore social media too.

Nothing like that will happen as humans adapt to the rich ones anyway. The one thing that may kill us off is the LGBTQ society, as sickos are everywhere. And as Billy knows the Muslims.

[WTF11]

Back to the original subject if the thread, good (very) old Ronald MacDonald....

His grasp of very recent history makes it possible for him to offend just about everyone, including the families, friends and loved ones of NATO troops who served alongside US forces in Afghanistan. Only when his insulting, obnoxious and wholly inaccurate us made clear to him does he post on his "Truth" platform with no apology but instead praise for the troops he insulted less than 24 hours previously. Why the post? Because even this disgrace of a President recognised just how badly he had misjudged his own statements.

And.then there is ICE, and Minnesota. A major US city where it's citizens no longer feel safe to appear in public, lest they be taken without due process or even worse, killed by the forces of supposed federal law enforcement. These things are from Iran, North Korea, Russia, Ethiopia, Sudan, surely not the USA?

I was accused in a recent of hating the USA. As I made clear, I love America, I loved working and living there and I love the American the vast majority of the American people. It burns to the core of me to witness what this administration is doing to that bastion of liberty, democracy and welcome.

[ozleeds]

Sigh