O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Elite_Pie]

Of course Starmer hasn't repeatedly lied, it goes with the job description 'Politician = Liar' everyone of them.

If you want to try and justify Johnson's lies by saying that all politicians lie, go ahead if it makes you feel better.

[frenchmagpie]

Popcorn running low over here. We're wondering which buffoon you'll elect next.

[Elite_Pie]

Popcorn running low over here. We're wondering which buffoon you'll elect next.

I see Gove has now jumped ship, no doubt with an eye firmly on the leadership contest.

Along with Rees-Mogg, he would be the worst option.

[i961pie]

Popcorn running low over here. We're wondering which buffoon you'll elect next.

Not another Macron we hope😋😋

[Old_pie]

I see Gove has now jumped ship, no doubt with an eye firmly on the leadership contest.

Along with Rees-Mogg, he would be the worst option.

What is even more worrying is where in UK politics, regardless of political persuasion, is there a natural leader?

Furthermore, and I say this as being one right of centre, do we need a ban on public school educated folk taking on roles in the public domain?? I've only ever met a couple (was in digs with one at Uni a year or three back) and they are just not of this planet. An enquiry into their institutionalised behavioural practices wouldn't go amiss. I guess we don't value our politicians enough to make it worthwhile for competent folk to enter the "profession".

[Magpies1959]

It's ok BFP I don't feel conned just sad to know I live in a country with so many sour losers. We are at a very alarming point in our history where we are controlled by the media.

[frenchmagpie]

It's ok BFP I don't feel conned just sad to know I live in a country with so many sour losers. We are at a very alarming point in our history where we are controlled by the media.

You know you don't have to do what Murdoch and Dacre tell you? You can vote for politicians who have the general public at heart not their Eton mates.

[frenchmagpie]

Not another Macron we hope😋😋

See post below about being led by the media.

[BigFatPie]

What is even more worrying is where in UK politics, regardless of political persuasion, is there a natural leader?

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I’ve heard or seen this sentiment, or very similar many times, usually expressed by people who voted for Boris Johnson as PM.

It’s a huge shame they’ve only recently developed such high expectations of their leading politicians.

[BanjoPie]

You know you don't have to do what Murdoch and Dacre tell you? You can vote for politicians who have the general public at heart not their Eton mates.

Who are they?

[crazyfists]

It's nothing to do with being a sour loser that's long passed and not about the media either (most right wing papers have turned on him as well) It's about having a PM who has a basic grasp of decency, accountability, humility and honour. Not one who is self serving, condones ***ual predators to a job which is to look after ministers and who lies lies and lies again when it suits him. He's ALWAYS been like this, it's just he can't get away with it anymore being PM. I'm sick of hearing he got the vaccines and Ukraine right. They handled it probably worse than anyone else would have handled it, they didn't shut the flights and borders until weeks after they should have, we've got the most deaths in Europe and we're an island, we should have had the least. When people mention he's done well on that, no one mentions the excessive deaths caused by sick people going to old people's homes but of course he passed the buck on that one as well. That's what he does, finds a sycophant to fall on his sword then say well I didn't know about it. What you didn't know what your own ministers were doing??? That's even worse. Then there's the he's done well in Ukraine, what send weapons to them and use their PM to show he's a good guy? Any PM could send weapons to country he doesn't deliver them himself!

Also yes who are we going to get to take over, JRM who thinks we're all peasants there to serve him. Dorries who is clueless, Raab who is even worse. Patel is a sneak, where is she in all this, you don't see her sticking up for Boris on the TV rounds as she's not dumb but supports him in the background. She'll wait till he's definitely going before turning. Good to see her with an anti bullying pin on her jacket the other day when she's been proven to have bullied her own staff! They are sickening, all of them. Truss who condoned non military trained Britons to go to the Ukraine to fight, the list goes on. These are the people in charge? Jesus Christ we're ****ed.

[GranthamPie]

This ^^^^^^

[jackal2]

Last December I observed that despite showing some positive early signs that he might govern as a strong right-wing PM, Boris had lost the plot personally and politically. It more or less coincided with Dominic Cummings leaving No10 and has deteriorated ever since. A lot of politicians these days have no real core ideology or vision of what they're trying to achieve, because their only aim was ever "to reach the top". Even if they get there, this makes them totally reliant on advisors who may or may not have more of a sense of purpose.

Regardless of what your political views are, if you enter politics and seek high office, it should be because you've seen what you believe is wrong with the country/world and you're seeking power in order to change things. It's supposed to be a mission and a passion, not a 'career'. In that sense, Thatcher and Corbyn - though from opposite ends of the political scale - at least had a decent picture of what they wanted to achieve.

[Elite_Pie]

It's nothing to do with being a sour loser that's long passed and not about the media either (most right wing papers have turned on him as well) It's about having a PM who has a basic grasp of decency, accountability, humility and honour. Not one who is self serving, condones ***ual predators to a job which is to look after ministers and who lies lies and lies again when it suits him. He's ALWAYS been like this, it's just he can't get away with it anymore being PM. I'm sick of hearing he got the vaccines and Ukraine right. They handled it probably worse than anyone else would have handled it, they didn't shut the flights and borders until weeks after they should have, we've got the most deaths in Europe and we're an island, we should have had the least. When people mention he's done well on that, no one mentions the excessive deaths caused by sick people going to old people's homes but of course he passed the buck on that one as well. That's what he does, finds a sycophant to fall on his sword then say well I didn't know about it. What you didn't know what your own ministers were doing??? That's even worse. Then there's the he's done well in Ukraine, what send weapons to them and use their PM to show he's a good guy? Any PM could send weapons to country he doesn't deliver them himself!

Also yes who are we going to get to take over, JRM who thinks we're all peasants there to serve him. Dorries who is clueless, Raab who is even worse. Patel is a sneak, where is she in all this, you don't see her sticking up for Boris on the TV rounds as she's not dumb but supports him in the background. She'll wait till he's definitely going before turning. Good to see her with an anti bullying pin on her jacket the other day when she's been proven to have bullied her own staff! They are sickening, all of them. Truss who condoned non military trained Britons to go to the Ukraine to fight, the list goes on. These are the people in charge? Jesus Christ we're ****ed.

Brilliant summary crazyfists. The thing I've noticed is the way his own party have turned against him. They all knew his actions were indefensible, but for a very long time they still stuck together. Once two big names jumped ship (with an eye to taking over) the trickle became a stream and then a torrent. They couldn't get out quick enough once they realised they were now backing a loser. So if they really "can't defend him any more", what has happened in the last two days to make them turn? The answer is nothing, just that a few have stuck their head above the parapet first and the rest have followed like sheep.

What an utterly disgusting bunch this government are, and sadly there is no credible opposition. For the first time in my life, I think a coalition government is the only way out of this mess. It should be formed on a PR basis, in the hope that there will be enough moderates out there to stop the extremists abusing a big majority like we have seen with this lot.

[the_anticlough]

What an utterly disgusting bunch this government are, and sadly there is no credible opposition. For the first time in my life, I think a coalition government is the only way out of this mess. It should be formed on a PR basis, in the hope that there will be enough moderates out there to stop the extremists abusing a big majority like we have seen with this lot.

We shouldn't forget that this Govt started with the coalition - it's the same rubbish in charge as when Cameron needed Lib Dem support to start this whole thing off with a coalition. It's the 13th year of consecutive tory rule with the same bunch of corrupt shysters.
It's going to be a mess, and they might well devour themselves, but they're unlikely to give away power. It'll be 2 more years of Tory rule after Pfeffel goes (today is most likely) and the media will help them with the latest re-branding con to dupe us into thinking there's a new Government.
Agree with you EP on PR. This might not be many years away, but it's many steps away. The country needs to get rid of the Tory-lites led by Starmar almost as much as the tories themselves. They'll resist PR up to the point the UK becomes totally ungovernable. That's when a new coalition will step in. How long will it take for everything to unravel to reach that point?