O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Med Pie]

Having watched a bunch of different footage, including what appears to be the start of it, it looks like it's an impatient brain dead idiot was initially attempting to drive through an area where he clearly shouldn't, the crowd understandably get pissed off with him, somebody gets bumped into, one or two then start hitting the car, then somebody loses it and puts his back window in, driver panics and goes into fight or flight mode, puts his foot down, people get trapped under the car causing it to swerve into even more people and then you've got at least one person shouting "killl him kill him" before the coppers wade in. Very fortunate nobody was killed and that the police got to the vehicle before the crowd dragged him out. Can't blame them or anybody else for thinking it was a terror attack, but at this stage it seems the police are correct in saying it wasn't.

That was my impression tbh and the crowd, may well have thought it was an act of terrorism and the guy is lucky they didn't kill him.

In light of this, the next time something happens and we don't get a detailed description of the perpetrator, people will make assumptions.

[Bohinen]

I guess this dreadful incident will put paid to any aspirations of removing the barriers on Trent Bridge: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c24956588gyo

As weaponising motor vehicles is becoming increasingly common maybe the Liverpool incident was foreseeable, though I don't know how it can be stopped.

This will leave a scar on such a joyous moment for the club. Sympathies to all those hurt and affected.

Never mind Forest fans, spare a thought for the supporters of Haverfordwest County, whose day in the sun will be sullied by having to walk past these barriers, when they had expected displays of roses on their walk across Trent Bridge.

https://faw.cymru/cymru-leagues/news...pean-play-off/

Haverfordwest County qualified for the UEFA Conference League after winning 3-1 against Caernarfon Town in the JD Cymru Premier European Play-Off final.

In the end it was a case of Haverfordwest being more clinical their opponents in front of the highest JD Cymru Premier crowd of the season with 1,717 in attendance at the Ogi Bridge Meadow.

[drillerpie]

That was my impression tbh

My impression of your impression from a couple of hours ago is that you were implying it might have been a terror attack carried out by a white British convert to Islam, not that you thought it was an an idiot going the wrong way in his car then panicking.

[Med Pie]

My impression of your impression from a couple of hours ago is that you were implying it might have been a terror attack carried out by a white British convert to Islam, not that you thought it was an an idiot going the wrong way in his car then panicking.

That's not at all what I said, read it again.

I said that based on what they told us, how could we rule out a white convert to Islam but of course, the hard of understanding will have been confused and made assumptions as usual.

'white, British' does not rule out any religion or any motive for that matter.

[Lullapie]

I think they did this before the conspiracy theorists on social media start stirring things up with fake news and trying to blame some innocent asylum seeker for it. And who can blame them after recent episodes.

I agree, but does that mean going forward that if the police don?t say that it is a white male, we assume it?s an Islamic fundamentalist?

[upthemaggies]

I agree, but does that mean going forward that if the police don?t say that it is a white male, we assume it?s an Islamic fundamentalist?

IIRC there was a report published on the police handing of the Southport case that concluded that it was a mistake to withheld information about the attacker, that it only encouraged the rumour mill and helped to inflame the situation and in future they need to be more transparent with what they know. So you should expect a full description in future - with cases of this nature. It's not always going to be immediately apparent what religion they are though.

Will be interesting to see if they arrest and charge the guy who broke the driver's window, that action may well have escalated the situation. That's not to excuse the driver. His was apparently the only car that attempted to get through the area via that route and expect people to move out of the way. He is stationary at one point before taking off into the more populated stretch, long enough for his door to be opened, so I'd be really shocked if he turned up with the intention of killing and/or injuring people, but he's mighty fortunate to not be facing man slaughter charges.

[drillerpie]

That's not at all what I said, read it again.

I said that based on what they told us, how could we rule out a white convert to Islam but of course, the hard of understanding will have been confused and made assumptions as usual.

'white, British' does not rule out any religion or any motive for that matter.

Ok, apologies for saying British.

Based on what they told you, you absolutely couldn't rule out a white (not necessarily British) convert. That is correct.

It just doesn't seem to match your later post that you thought all along it was some idiot driving the wrong way then panicking when the crowd got angry. Unless you were worried about converts to Islam having poor navigation and pressure-management skills. Just an observation anyway and it's not important and genuinely not worth discussing.

[SwalePie]

IIRC there was a report published on the police handing of the Southport case that concluded that it was a mistake to withheld information about the attacker, that it only encouraged the rumour mill and helped to inflame the situation and in future they need to be more transparent with what they know. So you should expect a full description in future - with cases of this nature. It's not always going to be immediately apparent what religion they are though.

Will be interesting to see if they arrest and charge the guy who broke the driver's window, that action may well have escalated the situation. That's not to excuse the driver. His was apparently the only car that attempted to get through the area via that route and expect people to move out of the way. He is stationary at one point before taking off into the more populated stretch, long enough for his door to be opened, so I'd be really shocked if he turned up with the intention of killing and/or injuring people, but he's mighty fortunate to not be facing man slaughter charges.

An article on this very topic from BBC News...

"The way Merseyside Police's communications team responded last night suggests that the force has rapidly adapted its policies since the violent disorder of last summer.

It means that a clearer picture of what had happened quickly reached people's phones, TVs and radios and rapidly reduced the disinformation.

The problem that police forces now face is whether this new approach will lead to confusion in future.

What will a force do for example if the information about the suspect they are holding is unclear?

Even more problematically, what will a force do if they arrest someone in similar circumstances who is a recently arrived migrant or who has a clearly Muslim name?

Last night's rapid move to correct the narrative may not be as straightforward in different circumstances.

Helen King, former assistant commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, said: "There will be times when police can confirm quickly. There are other times when it is unclear. These will always be complex and sensitive decisions.""


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgv4ddpyddo

[Med Pie]

Ok, apologies for saying British.

Based on what they told you, you absolutely couldn't rule out a white (not necessarily British) convert. That is correct.

It just doesn't seem to match your later post that you thought all along it was some idiot driving the wrong way then panicking when the crowd got angry. Unless you were worried about converts to Islam having poor navigation and pressure-management skills. Just an observation anyway and it's not important and genuinely not worth discussing.

I'm not getting in to a back and forth with someone who just wants an argument, cheerio.

[Med Pie]

IIRC there was a report published on the police handing of the Southport case that concluded that it was a mistake to withheld information about the attacker, that it only encouraged the rumour mill and helped to inflame the situation and in future they need to be more transparent with what they know. So you should expect a full description in future - with cases of this nature. It's not always going to be immediately apparent what religion they are though.

Will be interesting to see if they arrest and charge the guy who broke the driver's window, that action may well have escalated the situation. That's not to excuse the driver. His was apparently the only car that attempted to get through the area via that route and expect people to move out of the way. He is stationary at one point before taking off into the more populated stretch, long enough for his door to be opened, so I'd be really shocked if he turned up with the intention of killing and/or injuring people, but he's mighty fortunate to not be facing man slaughter charges.

Well they've certainly set a precedent now, they will be open to all kinds of criticism if they don't show consistency going forward. As I already said, if they don't make a similar statement like this in the future, it will absolutely, be inviting assumptions and speculation.

[BigFatPie]

It feels like the police are making a rod for their own back. They must have felt they had to something differently because of the misinformation put about after Southport by amongst others Nigel Farage.

Heres an idea after all incidents of this type; how about people STFU speculating and let the police and any other relevant authorities do their job?

[SwalePie]

It feels like the police are making a rod for their own back. They must have felt they had to something differently because of the misinformation put about after Southport by amongst others Nigel Farage.

Heres an idea after all incidents of this type; how about people STFU speculating and let the police and any other relevant authorities do their job?

If only!

[drillerpie]

It feels like the police are making a rod for their own back. They must have felt they had to something differently because of the misinformation put about after Southport by amongst others Nigel Farage.

Heres an idea after all incidents of this type; how about people STFU speculating and let the police and any other relevant authorities do their job?

There's always going to be speculation - it's human nature. Apart from normal people being genuinely curious, some less well intentioned people will fill any gaps with malicious rumours designed to create chaos.

They're damned if they do and dawned if they don't to be honest. Yes, they've made a rod for their own back in the future, but had they just said "a ''XX-year old man is in custody" yesterday they would probably be dealing with riots in the short term.

[BigFatPie]

There's always going to be speculation - it's human nature. Apart from normal people being genuinely curious, some less well intentioned people will fill any gaps with malicious rumours designed to create chaos.

They're damned if they do and dawned if they don't to be honest. Yes, they've made a rod for their own back in the future, but had they just said "a ''XX-year old man is in custody" yesterday they would probably be dealing with riots in the short term.

Yes speculation is normal. But we are not just talking about Dave down the pub here. We are talking about the hot favourite to be the next PM. He should be asked at every opportunity about why he chose to disseminate misinformation from such dubious sources about such a sensitive matter. And whether someone who does that is fit to hold any sort of political office.

Aside from him all the usual suspects on the far right were falling over themselves yesterday to cause trouble over the Liverpool incident even in the short time before the police said what the background of the suspect was. As you say the police cant win.

[Elite_Pie]

I'd be really shocked if he turned up with the intention of killing and/or injuring people, but he's mighty fortunate to not be facing man slaughter charges.

Update:

A man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after a car was driven into a crowd in Liverpool on Monday, police say. The 53-year-old, from Liverpool's West Derby, has also been arrested on suspicion of driving while unfit through drugs and dangerous driving offences.