O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[TheBlackHorse]

.. don't mention b a m e families living in over crowded accommodation it might upset the champagne socialists ...

[Elite_Pie]

.. don't mention b a m e families living in over crowded accommodation it might upset the champagne socialists ...

And don't forget those fat northerners, always scoffing on their Greggs.

I knew that you would blame anyone but the government.

[The_Don_ORiordan]

There are many many reasons the UK has suffered. I don’t think we should or could simplify it down to blaming Boris, that would brush away many other impacting factors.
In no way does that absolve him from blame though, significant errors have been made.

But no one should underestimate the underlying social issues which have existed for decades which have created an environment where the impact of these errors has been multiplied.

Years of austerity, red tape in our heathcare system, social inequality, and lack of foresight combined with the obvious distraction of Brexit, have compounded the errors made by this government.

The root causes of a number of the 100,000 deaths go back an awful lot further than Covid 19.

We really need to ensure these are not just hung on the errors of the past year. Or we will have learnt nothing.

[countygump]

.. don't mention b a m e families living in over crowded accommodation it might upset the champagne socialists ...

I'm not sure that's particularly helpful, BH.

This Gov has made many mistakes during this pandemic, of that there is no doubt.

But citizens of the UK, ALL citizens, must bear some of the responsibility as well. We're the one's who spread it.

If it were left to me we'd still have been in the 1st Lockdown that was called. That certainly would have saved lives but we'd be nigh on bankrupt by now, praps we are anyway?

[BigFatPie]

There are many many reasons the UK has suffered. I don’t think we should or could simplify it down to blaming Boris, that would brush away many other impacting factors.
In no way does that absolve him from blame though, significant errors have been made.

But no one should underestimate the underlying social issues which have existed for decades which have created an environment where the impact of these errors has been multiplied.

Years of austerity, red tape in our heathcare system, social inequality, and lack of foresight combined with the obvious distraction of Brexit, have compounded the errors made by this government.

The root causes of a number of the 100,000 deaths go back an awful lot further than Covid 19.

We really need to ensure these are not just hung on the errors of the past year. Or we will have learnt nothing.

Great post.
Johnson and his cronies are just the cherry on top of a very mouldy 10 year old cake.

[Old_pie]

More than 100,000 people have died with Covid-19 in the UK, after 1,631 deaths within 28 days of a positive test were recorded in the daily figures.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson said he took "full responsibility" for the government's actions, saying: "We truly did everything we could."

I know Johnson is a serial liar, but actually saying "We truly did everything we could" has to be his most sickening one yet.

Boris Johnson is a despicable human being.

What is your view on Whitty and Vallance?

[Elite_Pie]

What is your view on Whitty and Vallance?

Puppets.

Very intelligent puppets, but both are happy to be a mouthpiece for the government. I would love to know how much of their advice has been ignored, but I don't think either will rock the boat. Vallance is already a 'Sir', what's the betting Whitty will follow?

[countygump]

Puppets.

Very intelligent puppets, but both are happy to be a mouthpiece for the government. I would love to know how much of their advice has been ignored, but I don't think either will rock the boat. Vallance is already a 'Sir', what's the betting Whitty will follow?

I quite like that John (Claude) Van-Tam, Eli. Tho he doesn't seem to appear very often. He looks like someone who's quite likely to throw a right hook.

[Elite_Pie]

One thing's for sure, if the government really have 'followed the science', our science is way behind most other countries.

[TheBlackHorse]

... that's right Snobhead 1, blame the government for everything when much of the current mess is down to a portion of the population who will not follow guidelines. If you wanted rules then go and live in a society that has been brought up to follow rules without question - and it's not here. One of the reason people from overseas come to the UK is our lax approach to control; so don't be surprised if a faction of the resident population see others taking the p155 and think if it's ok for them, I'll have some of that too. In other words, a breakdown in social structure, aided by the woke, liberal society we have today.
The government are at major fault for not picking up on the 2016 pandemic review. I would like to know who sat round that cabinet table, discussed the pros and cons, then wouldn't sign off the spend to put us in a safe position. That would be one or each of the PM, Chancellor and Health Minister. Journalists are at fault too for not pressing to see/find out the details of discussion for that/those meeting/s - probably too difficult for todays journo's ...

[Old_pie]

One thing's for sure, if the government really have 'followed the science', our science is way behind most other countries.

It seemed incredible nearly 12 months ago that the "science" was saying "wash your hands" whilst cruise ship passengers were clearly likely being hit by their ventilation systems. If the "science" meant "wait until we are 100% certain" then that's a pretty bad way to go about things, though proceeding with the seemingly logical "vaccinate as many as possible before the second dose" has created a furore.

Being a few months in front on the vaccine front seems to be one thing we appear to have got right. Though mid-Feb seems to be a "magic" date when in fact it is mid-Feb +2 or +3 weeks when us old fogeys will have built up resistance.

I would have expected one or both Whitty/Vallance to have fallen on their sword and I'm afraid Van Tam seems to be singing off the same hymn sheet. Who is there out there we should be listening to?

[TheBlackHorse]

... Look up Ivor Cummins podcast ...
Viral Impact in England - The Empirical Truth Part 1
Ep103 Viral Impact in England – The Empirical Truth Part 1

[BigFatPie]

... Look up Ivor Cummins podcast ...
Viral Impact in England - The Empirical Truth Part 1
Ep103 Viral Impact in England – The Empirical Truth Part 1

Ivor Cummins is a noted covid bullsh!t merchant who’s been wrong at every stage of the pandemic.

https://www.covidfaq.co/Ivor-Cummins-20d36373da834c8f884486a3302ac58e

[Mapperleypie]

don't be surprised if a faction of the resident population see others taking the p155 and think if it's ok for them, I'll have some of that too. In other words, a breakdown in social structure, aided by the woke, liberal society we have today.

That classic woke liberal Dom Cummings.

[Old_pie]

Being a few months in front on the vaccine front seems to be one thing we appear to have got right. Though mid-Feb seems to be a "magic" date when in fact it is mid-Feb +2 or +3 weeks when us old fogeys will have built up resistance.

Seems as if BoJo & Co read this board