O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[keldsyke]

Thankfully the prospect of those clowns getting in is as about as realistic as Stuart Maynard winning manager of the year.

Enjoy the next 4 and a half years lad.

🤣🤣🤣 crack on Wolfie ? Power to the people!! 🤣🤣🤣

[Elite_Pie]

🤣🤣🤣 crack on Wolfie ? Power to the people!! 🤣🤣🤣

You may have missed it, but the people already had the power.

If you google 'general election results 2024' you'll see how they used their power.

[keldsyke]

You may have missed it, but the people already had the power.

If you google 'general election results 2024' you'll see how they used their power.

Thanks for that pearl of wisdom Ken, keep the red flag flying!

[Med Pie]

I can't remember a new government being so unpopular with a vast majority so quickly either, but it means next to nothing at the moment. Unless you are naive enough (not you) to think that a 3 million petition will have an effect. It's what happens in four years that matters, and I think Starmer realises that. I think he's (cynically) using the big majority to get the sh!t out of the way early, because like it or not Labour are here for another four years.

You mean a Parliamentary, majority which of course, is the one that matters but with just 33.7% of the vote, he hardly has a resounding 'mandate' from the wider public who, should have gotten out to vote in larger numbers. The stars aligned for Starmer when so called 'voter apathy' and wasted, 'protest' votes, combined to split Tory support.

I don't think the people who wasted their votes, were in full realisation that this would effectively, result in a Labour government. Looking at the voter 'stats', few of the seats which were lost by the Conservatives, went to Labour and most, post election Labour seats were already in their hands. The fact that Labour are in power, does not mean that there has been a seismic, shift to the left, the British public have not, suddenly become 'woke' and embraced Labour and their 'loony left' policies.

Starmer has become the new Corbyn in his unpopularity and Labour would do well to dump him.

Still no sign of charges for the Manchester crew I see.

[Med Pie]

They call themselves WASPI Women. Woman Against State Pension Inequality. They got equality and didn't like it, they preferred the preferential treatment woman had previously.

Exactly so, why are they demanding compensation for having to work to the same age as men, what's the 'compo' for?

[i961pie]

Thankfully the prospect of those clowns getting in is as about as realistic as Stuart Maynard winning manager of the year.

Enjoy the next 4 and a half years lad.

That's a bold statement to make? Especially when you see the advance of right wing parties across the whole of Europe. Let's face it no one really expected Reform to get any seats, yet they got over 14% of the vote. You ignore them at your peril especially with what Labour have done this first few months.
Of course Labour could be proved right and the early pain could become a gain before the next election.
We shall see.

[forwardmagpie]

It?s a bit odd to be more annoyed at the government who are dealing with this( and the post office scandal, infected blood, Grenfell etc etc) than the government who didnt.

Even when as in this case, the solutions are sometimes not to everyone?s liking.

Just out of interest BFP is there anything that the current government has been involved with that you don?t support. From all the received gifts, the winter fuel allowance, the Chagos Islands, the budget, Millibands GB energy plans, WASPI women, maybe delaying some council elections, Rayners house building plans with building on green belt land, border security, cosying up the the EU, Starmer hardly in this country with constant trips abroad and all the perceived broken promises. Is it just dogma or do you genuinely believe this has been a brilliant first 5 months in power?

[OP67]

OP67 here seemingly forgetting that the Tories remained in power despite changing leader 4 times.

Even the Tories were never hated as much as the current government in such a short time

You still seem to missing one very important point which I've mentioned before. Even if Starmer is convicted of being a mass murderer it will mean he's gone, but the Labour government will still be in power. Keep signing the petition, and dream that Santa has given you what you wish for this time next week.

Lets see how next years unrest amongst the general pubic pans out. Especailly after April when most of the tax rises kick in and we're in a deep recession.

I find it hard how anyone can defend this Labour government and I used to be a Labour voted. Thankfully I'm not to blame for this bunch of useless lot!!

[SmiffyPie]

Quote:
"A Labour minister has been named in an investigation into claims her family embezzled up to ?3.9bn (Tk 590 billion) from infrastructure projects in Bangladesh. Tulip Siddiq, who as the Treasury's Economic Secretary is responsible for tackling corruption in UK financial markets, is alleged to have brokered a deal with Russia in 2013 for a new nuclear power plant in Bangladesh that saw ?1bn siphoned off into private hands."

Innocent until and all that.

[Elite_Pie]

Lets see how next years unrest amongst the general pubic pans out. Especailly after April when most of the tax rises kick in and we're in a deep recession.

What do you think is going to happen? Maybe a new petition will be started and it might make 4 or 5 million signatures. It will be just as pointless as this one is. The only way there can be an early election is if the sitting Prime Minister calls it (not going to happen), the reigning monarch calls it (not going to happen), or if a vote of no confidence in the government is passed in the House of Commons. Seeing as 402 of the 650 MPs are Labour, I'm sure you can work that one out for yourself. This isn't defending the Labour Party, it's simply stating facts.

[SmiffyPie]

The fact is the election result is the voice of the people (however it was arrived at and by whatever percentages and all the rest) and has to be respected until the next election comes along. People with sour grapes just have to suck it up and get on with it (just like Brexit (staggering hypocrisy by some between the two topics)).

[keldsyke]

The fact is the election result is the voice of the people (however it was arrived at and by whatever percentages and all the rest) and has to be respected until the next election comes along. People with sour grapes just have to suck it up and get on with it (just like Brexit (staggering hypocrisy by some between the two topics)).

Spot on, it is what it is and at the moment nothing is going to change, however the vocal Sneinton Popular Front on here seem to have the inability to accept that what they wished for has turned out to be even worse than what was before Labour and that was bad, the solution as always in life is compromise which most balanced people can do, but the Left have this inability to be balanced, you question something and they go into meltdown blaming anyone but looking at themselves.

[BigFatPie]

Just out of interest BFP is there anything that the current government has been involved with that you don?t support. From all the received gifts, the winter fuel allowance, the Chagos Islands, the budget, Millibands GB energy plans, WASPI women, maybe delaying some council elections, Rayners house building plans with building on green belt land, border security, cosying up the the EU, Starmer hardly in this country with constant trips abroad and all the perceived broken promises. Is it just dogma or do you genuinely believe this has been a brilliant first 5 months in power?

Why do you always quote a post of mine but hardly ever address the point within? It?s sort of how online interaction should work.

There?s elements of getting rid of the IHT exemption on farmland that could be tweaked, maybe raise the thresholds somewhat or only make it payable when it?s sold. I would probably delay the means testing of the WFA for a year so all those eligible for pension credits have time to get their claims in. The more I hear about the waspi women the worse the case for their grievance becomes, though I agree that Labour politicians shouldnt have stood beside those ladies waving placards. I generally think taxing wealthy landowners offspring and not giving public money to largely decently well off pensioners are good things. And I?m pretty sure you do too. In 2017 the Tories said they would scrap the WFA and did you vote for Corbyn and McDonnell in 2019 when they said they would give the waspi women 58 BILLION quid?

Your other items are classic bad faith right wing press talking points. Are you really pretending to have a strong view on the Chagos Islands? The absolute epitome of something no one would have cared about if the Tories did it. As I inferred in the post you quoted, the government is getting difficult things done which after the neglect of the last 14 years and a 5 year term in office to come seems wise to me. Both public services and public finances are in a shocking state and they both need fixing. That will take time and money.

Ive addressed your question in good faith. I do find it hard though to take some of the faux outrage about this seriously when the people shouting have voted repeatedly to cut public services to the bone and voted in blatantly dishonest politicians. Especially when most of them voted as well for the Brexit thats made us all much poorer. It?s good that you and others like you have such high expectations of this government, it?s just such a pity you didn?t apply those standards for the last 15 years.

[Elite_Pie]

Spot on, it is what it is and at the moment nothing is going to change, however the vocal Sneinton Popular Front on here seem to have the inability to accept that what they wished for has turned out to be even worse than what was before Labour and that was bad.

Do you decide the result of a football match after 8 minutes?

I've found it's better to wait until the end.

[Elite_Pie]

The fact is the election result is the voice of the people (however it was arrived at and by whatever percentages and all the rest) and has to be respected until the next election comes along. People with sour grapes just have to suck it up and get on with it (just like Brexit (staggering hypocrisy by some between the two topics)).

There is a bit of a difference. The rules say a government is elected for 5 years, but there is no fixed term for EU membership. That means if it obviously isn't working (in or out) then you can fix it sooner rather than later.