O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[i961pie]

Did you read the Times article?

No

[Woodsetts_Pie]

There's one fundamental problem with the original question. It mentions the word "Leadership"

Frankly there hasn't been any leadership. There was ignorance and delay, followed by people like Rees-Mogg blatantly using it as an opportunity to make a profit, people like Jenrick telling people to do one thing then himself travelling all over in complete contrast to what he's telling others to do. The so-called daily briefings are useless in terms of public information, - complete spin doctored events where the appointed minister of the day doesn't actually answer the question posed.

Leadership there is not.

[Mapperleypie]

This is unprecedented and Boris and his cronies are not experts in this, so rely on their advisors who are supposed to be medical experts.
That is what any government would do in this situation so maybe the advice wasn't always correct.

I'm not certain Dominic Cummings is a medical expert - happy to be proven wrong though. Wouldn't want to think that thousands have lost their lives unnecessarily because the government didn't follow scientific advice at the outset and Johnson couldn't be arsed to turn up to briefings because he wanted a few long weekends at Chequers.

[i961pie]

I'm not certain Dominic Cummings is a medical expert - happy to be proven wrong though. Wouldn't want to think that thousands have lost their lives unnecessarily because the government didn't follow scientific advice at the outset and Johnson couldn't be arsed to turn up to briefings because he wanted a few long weekends at Chequers.

You have obviously made your mind up that it is all the fault of Boris, he asn't listened to any medical experts only Cummings.
Even the BBC commented this morning that the PM would not attend the early meetings it would always be the health secretary.

[Notsohumblepie]

I'm not certain Dominic Cummings is a medical expert - happy to be proven wrong though. Wouldn't want to think that thousands have lost their lives unnecessarily because the government didn't follow scientific advice at the outset and Johnson couldn't be arsed to turn up to briefings because he wanted a few long weekends at Chequers.

Hyperbole, or auxesis ?

[Elite_Pie]

You have obviously made your mind up that it is all the fault of Boris, he asn't listened to any medical experts only Cummings.
Even the BBC commented this morning that the PM would not attend the early meetings it would always be the health secretary.

I'm not sure what you're saying here. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be saying that any shortcomings are not the fault of the government, they are the fault of government advisors. So who appointed these government advisors?

It must have been Jeremy Corbyn, because despite having no authority, he's to blame for everything!

Moving on to a more pertinent topic, who is to blame for the GOVERNMENT failing to provide front line NHS workers with adequate PPE?
Is it Boris Johnson & Co for being reactive rather than proactive, or is it once again down to those bloody government advisors?

[metrocab]

Maybe you should ask Kate Sheehan to provide front line NHS workers with adequate PPE.

A despicable woman.

[Elite_Pie]

Maybe you should ask Kate Sheehan to provide front line NHS workers with adequate PPE.

A despicable woman.

Yep, one despicable woman means any government failings can be completely ignored.

At least it will make the Sun readers sleep better.

[i961pie]

I think soccerman has got into your head about Jeremy Corbyn, I never mentioned the guy.
Of course the government will take the blame for its shortcomings or failures and if they are proved to be incompetent they will pay the price.
But at the moment it is the same people on here that hate the tories that are shouting the loudest, it is so predictable.
And before you accuse me of being Soccerman or seriouspie in disguise I didn't vote for Boris.

[Elite_Pie]

I think soccerman has got into your head about Jeremy Corbyn, I never mentioned the guy.
Of course the government will take the blame for its shortcomings or failures and if they are proved to be incompetent they will pay the price.
But at the moment it is the same people on here that hate the tories that are shouting the loudest, it is so predictable.
And before you accuse me of being Soccerman or seriouspie in disguise I didn't vote for Boris.

You have made your position pretty clear, the government are basically blameless and it's their advisors who are at fault.

It must be nice to have a position of power, but very little accountability!

[i961pie]

You have made your position pretty clear, the government are basically blameless and it's their advisors who are at fault.

It must be nice to have a position of power, but very little accountability!

You are an expert at twisting things I am not claiming anything,just putting forward another point of view.
I unlike many don't have a political axe to grind.
Hindsight is wonderful I am sure the government and their advisors would do things differently now.
They sent a lot of our protective gear to China at the start of this virus (if China told the truth it was the start) to try and contain it.
They allowed Cheltenham to go ahead, they also allowed 2,000 Spanish football supporters to join 50,000 Liverpool supporters to play a football match. Both were wrong and shouldn't have been allowed to happen, but many fans of both were pleased at the time.(including me).
They will take the blame and there will be accountability and a day of reckoning if they are guilty.

[drillerpie]

No

Already made your mind up?

[i961pie]

Already made your mind up?

No, I don't read much press because most of the time it is only their opinion or political persuassion, and I will wait to see the scientific evidence at the end of this.
If the government have made terrible mistakes they will face the consequences and deservedly so.
I haven't made my mind up about anything.

[drillerpie]

No, I don't read much press because most of the time it is only their opinion or political persuassion, and I will wait to see the scientific evidence at the end of this.
If the government have made terrible mistakes they will face the consequences and deservedly so.
I haven't made my mind up about anything.

From your other posts it seems like you've made your mind up about quite a lot. US bad, Germany good, NZ good, UK middling and any UK mistakes are down to bad advice and not the government, and no other UK government would have acted differently.

I'd respectfully point out that only by comparing our response with other countries will we be able to improve. That is not really possible by analysing numbers or scientific data.

The Times is a respectable, quality newspaper and if anything is pro Conservative. Neither the government nor the advisers come out of it particularly well, but personally I'm glad I read it as I feel like it added to my understanding of the situation.

[seriouspie]

I think soccerman has got into your head about Jeremy Corbyn, I never mentioned the guy.
Of course the government will take the blame for its shortcomings or failures and if they are proved to be incompetent they will pay the price.
But at the moment it is the same people on here that hate the tories that are shouting the loudest, it is so predictable.
And before you accuse me of being Soccerman or seriouspie in disguise I didn't vote for Boris.

Eyup i961pie ...... Don't get into conversation with these repetitive losers son. Let them whinge moan and snipe, it won't make any difference. Like the BBC they have to find something to criticise .... that's all they can do because they are ineffectual and they know it. The fact is - Boris and his lads are here for the long haul and the majority of ordinary Brits (the ones that count) want it that way. I criticise Lefties because generally I find them weak and unable to make decisions on their own. Likewise Lefties criticise me for my R/W so called bigoted views .... OK by me, we are all entitled to our views and so it should be, but at the end of the day when all the dust has settled on this horrendous virus saga, I have a feeling the Tories will come out on top in the opinion polls. My other well know prediction ..... the US election. Horrible as the man is, Trump will wipe the floor with Biden and the Dems. Both he and Boris have been pilloried left right and centre by the snivelling Lefties and in both cases, before they won. It made no difference and it won't again.

Any further research been done on the great Whittaker by the way? From what I can find out, he scored 2 goals for us in 10 games before boggering off back to Canada to run their national side??