O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[magpie_mania]

Another day, another party, another apology.

Can't think we will ever get that report as there seems to be more to investigate every day.

[the_anticlough]

Can't think we will ever get that report as there seems to be more to investigate every day.

I think 'reports' have been well and truly rumbled. I think the whole country knows they're just a way for the powerful to delay and avoid consequences...
...but yet another way to undermine the entire state too, clear the way for rule by corporations - Govt inept at everything apart from facilitating for Corps and cracking down on protestors!

[magpie_mania]

Another day, another party, another apology.

Can't think we will ever get that report as there seems to be more to investigate every day.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-60001927

[TheBlackHorse]

... greetings Snobhead 1 ... see you're still pontificating from upon high. Re the cesspit, it's our friend Dominic Cummings to whom you should be grateful for commenting upon the buffoons who (don't) run the UK. To get anything done you have to be a Machiavellian to work in and around No.10 such is the ineptitude purporting to operate as a government. His Barnard Castle misdemeanor is as nothing compared to what goes on. It appears that many peoples view of DC is gleaned from media comment. Remember also that it is the media who have opened the right hand (Conservative) desk drawer to release the out-dated party information they have stock-piled. Can you really believe that the left hand drawer is empty? Just wait until we approach the next election. I suppose many remember (or choose to forget) that most (me included) of the UK was basking in May sunshine as if there was no Covid - so hypocrites all. All these shenanigans simply confirm what we all know - the Conservatives tend to fall because of *** and debauchery; Labour on the politics of greed and envy (well, Barry-the slime ball-Gardiner has made a good start).
So yes, it's a cesspit. Only a revolution will oust this Establishment; notice that they, usually through the corrupt media, try to knife DC at every opportunity ... he knows the scandalous truth. If I were him I think I might be a little worried about having an unfortunate accident.

As an aside, many years ago, I visited 10 and 11 Downing Street when Ken Clarke was Chancellor. I should have admitted the truth then - as he shuffled towards our group, suede shoe lace undone, they don't give damn.

[TheBlackHorse]

... * * * ... s e x
(Can you catch your breath!)

[OchPie]

Operation Save Big Dog sounds like a rejected name for one of Chesterfield's fundraisers or something.

[Elite_Pie]

... greetings Snobhead 1 ... see you're still pontificating from upon high. Re the cesspit, it's our friend Dominic Cummings to whom you should be grateful for commenting upon the buffoons who (don't) run the UK. To get anything done you have to be a Machiavellian to work in and around No.10 such is the ineptitude purporting to operate as a government. His Barnard Castle misdemeanor is as nothing compared to what goes on. It appears that many peoples view of DC is gleaned from media comment. Remember also that it is the media who have opened the right hand (Conservative) desk drawer to release the out-dated party information they have stock-piled. Can you really believe that the left hand drawer is empty? Just wait until we approach the next election. I suppose many remember (or choose to forget) that most (me included) of the UK was basking in May sunshine as if there was no Covid - so hypocrites all. All these shenanigans simply confirm what we all know - the Conservatives tend to fall because of *** and debauchery; Labour on the politics of greed and envy (well, Barry-the slime ball-Gardiner has made a good start).
So yes, it's a cesspit. Only a revolution will oust this Establishment; notice that they, usually through the corrupt media, try to knife DC at every opportunity ... he knows the scandalous truth. If I were him I think I might be a little worried about having an unfortunate accident.

As an aside, many years ago, I visited 10 and 11 Downing Street when Ken Clarke was Chancellor. I should have admitted the truth then - as he shuffled towards our group, suede shoe lace undone, they don't give damn.

Dominic Cummings has been a revelation for me in the 'gamekeeper turned poacher' or 'poacher turned gamekeeper' analogy, although I'm not sure which way round. He's probably more of a liar turned truth teller, much to the cost of Boris and his cronies. I see some of them are still trying to defend him, to his face at least. If they think Boris will ever manage to regain the trust of the electorate, they must also believe that Lord Lucan will ride Shergar to victory in the Grand National.

[sidders]

The longer Bozo holds out, the better it is for Labour as he infuriates the electorate more and more. But then you have the thorny question of who next? I can't believe the Tories would ever vote in a Hindu as the leader of their PARTY, but the alternative looks like being Truss. Now would you vote for her?

[jackal2]

Boris really should have realised before getting rid of Dominic Cummings that the guy who played as big a role as anybody in getting him into No.10 was likely to be equally effective in getting him out. The most likeable of guys he is not, but Cummings is definitely someone you want on the inside of the tent p*ssing out, rather than outside the tent p*ssing in.

[Elite_Pie]

Boris really should have realised before getting rid of Dominic Cummings that the guy who played as big a role as anybody in getting him into No.10 was likely to be equally effective in getting him out. The most likeable of guys he is not, but Cummings is definitely someone you want on the inside of the tent p*ssing out, rather than outside the tent p*ssing in.

True. Cummings is a nasty piece of work, but he's clever and effective. Boris should have quietly but handsomely paid him off and kept him on side after the Barnard Castle fiasco. Instead, he's found out that 'Hell hath no fury like a Cummings scorned'.

[jackal2]

True. Cummings is a nasty piece of work, but he's clever and effective.

A darn sight more clever and effective than Carrie Johnson, that's for sure. And certainly better equipped to understand Red Wall voters.

[BigFatPie]

If he’s such a genius in how did Dominic Cummings’ involvement in politics actually improve the lives of people in this country?

[the_anticlough]

If he’s such a genius in how did Dominic Cummings’ involvement in politics actually improve the lives of people in this country?

by Sweet FA,

which is the same answer as what the tories have done for the people who voted them....except their cronies and the corporate and financial elite of course

Lets not forget Cummings' pathetic squirming and lying in the garden press conference when he was desperate to save his place by Pfeffel's side and his doctoring of blog posts after the fact to make himself look smart....no genuinely smart person would feel the need to cheat and manipulate like that - so he's as pathetic as his ex-boss, just another disgruntled former employee with a vendetta.

[drillerpie]

If he’s such a genius in how did Dominic Cummings’ involvement in politics actually improve the lives of people in this country?

It's open to debate whether he improved lives or not, but he understood that the key to winning in the old Labour heartlands was a culturally conservative approach aligned with unusually generous (for the Conservative party) public spending. I don't like the guy, I didn't like his approach to the Brexit campaign, and I didn't appreciate his behaviour during the eye test fiasco, but I do have a grudging admiration for his abilities as a strategist, and I think it's pretty uncontroversial to say he does have some original and interesting ideas.

Now he's gone and Johnson is on his way out, it'll probably be back to Conservative business as usual, which is what remainers feared would happen after Brexit.

[jackal2]

If he’s such a genius in how did Dominic Cummings’ involvement in politics actually improve the lives of people in this country?

The truth is, he wasn't in a position of influence long enough to demonstrate one way another what he could ultimately have achieved. He was appointed Boris' Chief adviser in July 2019 and left effectively in November 2020, so a good portion of that time was spent dealing with the first few months of the pandemic, which would have disrupted the plans of any Government.

I'm not claiming that DC is a genius and I don't agree with everything he says - far from it - but in terms of intelligence and political nous I certainly think he's better equipped to provide advice and direction than Carrie Johnson!

My impression of Cummings is that he had more of a sense of purpose and a better understanding of Red Wall voters' views than the PM or virtually any of the Westminster Village set, and he recognised the need for radical reform of the Civil Service, which I think is important for any party that aspires to govern effectively in the future. I liked his reference to the service needing 'some true wild cards, artists, people who never went to university and fought their way out of an appalling hell hole' as opposed to 'confident public school bluffers' (sounds familiar!).

The next incumbent will either need to have a much clearer idea of what they are trying to achieve, and how to re-connect with the Red Wall, or a strong advisor who possesses that understanding. But really, this should come from the Leader.