O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[LaxtonLad]

I've been zooming around the East Mids on buses hither and yon, going ramblin' and making a day out of it. I much prefer the buses for a day out as I can sit and enjoy the scenery, earwigging conversations and chatting to others.

I've been doing it for over twelve years now, since I got me bus pass, and I can honestly say women are the worst passengers. They nearly always take an aisle seat, reserving the other for their handbag or shopping. I packed in bussing for a while because of COVID but started up again about three weeks ago and now I'm back, operating full time.

Now, in The Day of The Mask, the older ladies look frightened to death if somebody looks like they might want to sit near them. The younger element like to go upstairs and drop their masks. All ages will, if they can, sit on the seats at the front, you know - for the elderly or disabled. The only passengers I have seen not wearing a mask are women. Some come on the bus holding a mask over their mouth with the loops dangling, others remove their mask so they can stuff sweets down their gob, all look guilty but pretend the rules aren't for them.

Men just and quietly watch, and if they are like me, wonder what we ever saw in them. The ugly ones anyway.

[i961pie]

Maybe, but the science behind the wearing or not wearing of face masks wasn't really my point. My point was the hopeless lack of any clear direction once again from the government. Just tell us we have to wear them or tell us we don't and I'll comply. It's staggering that two of the most senior government ministers are saying different things, and equally staggering that it's being brought in 11DAYS FROM NOW! If the current thinking is that it will help stop the spread of the virus, why the f@ck is it being delayed that long?

Can't agree more, obviously just offering advice doesn't work, just look at what happened at Bournemouth beach.
The public have to given clear instructions what they have to do.

[sidders]

Sadiq Khan revealed on GMB today that despite his best efforts he has had no communication from you-know-who since May 10th. What happens if we need a London lockdown, he says. Or another terrorist incident.
Cummings must have advised him to ignore. Of course, we're all in this together, when it suits.

[countygump]

Can't agree more, obviously just offering advice doesn't work, just look at what happened at Bournemouth beach.
The public have to given clear instructions what they have to do.

This^^^ Advice doesn't seem to work and when I do venture out, it's pretty ob that less people are bothering to wear masks. But why 10 days? To allow businesses to get themselves sorted and buy some to give to people who haven't bothered to buy/wear one?

[Old_pie]

Maybe, but the science behind the wearing or not wearing of face masks wasn't really my point. My point was the hopeless lack of any clear direction once again from the government. Just tell us we have to wear them or tell us we don't and I'll comply. It's staggering that two of the most senior government ministers are saying different things, and equally staggering that it's being brought in 11DAYS FROM NOW! If the current thinking is that it will help stop the spread of the virus, why the f@ck is it being delayed that long?

You might comply but judging by other recent posts on here many won't and are not and we don't have sufficient police to enforce. The issue is now beyond contracting the disease or not. Much harm is being done in other areas and some of that harm is costing lives too.

So yes it would be nice if everyone was singing from the same hymn sheet and it would be nicer if those writing the "science" for the hymn sheets were consistent. To crib from a well known phrase or saying ".. because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know."

[countygump]

Scientists are saying we could see a mega wave of Covid this Winter. Maybe it's time to wear a mask, from a week on Friday.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/coronavirus-scientists-warn-of-second-wave-fears-ahead-of-winter/ar-BB16HJTs

[sidders]

You might comply but judging by other recent posts on here many won't and are not and we don't have sufficient police to enforce. The issue is now beyond contracting the disease or not. Much harm is being done in other areas and some of that harm is costing lives too.

So yes it would be nice if everyone was singing from the same hymn sheet and it would be nicer if those writing the "science" for the hymn sheets were consistent. To crib from a well known phrase or saying ".. because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know."

Which is why it was so wrong of the government and Hancock in particular to speak of 'THE science' at the beginning of all this as though science consists of one voice based on empirical evidence. Science is as open to dispute as any other field and always subject to interpretation. For Boris & Dom it offers a wonderful opportunity to pick and choose what they wants to hear.

[countygump]

What they wants to hear.

Is your keyboard set to 'US' rather than 'UK'?

[macstop]

I said in March that Covid was not the problem, but the handling of it was, and as far as i can see that's still the case.

For everything about Covid can be disputed, not just by laymen like us, but top scientists and Doctors through out the world, but somehow they seem to get shot down and banished, "canceled" just like the racism debate, yes the world is a crazy place.

[Old_pie]

Which is why it was so wrong of the government and Hancock in particular to speak of 'THE science' at the beginning of all this as though science consists of one voice based on empirical evidence. Science is as open to dispute as any other field and always subject to interpretation. For Boris & Dom it offers a wonderful opportunity to pick and choose what they wants to hear.

If only BoJo, Hancock, and their advisors had followed the science they wouldn't have caught Covid themselves.

But you see, if my sister has to add two numbers together then multiply them by something else she calls it Maths, I call it Arithmetic. The statistics being used at the time falls somewhere in between with a smattering of politics.

[sidders]

Is your keyboard set to 'US' rather than 'UK'?

No, it's the pirate in me, Gumpy.

[navypie]

Sadiq Khan revealed on GMB today that despite his best efforts he has had no communication from you-know-who since May 10th. What happens if we need a London lockdown, he says. Or another terrorist incident.
Cummings must have advised him to ignore. Of course, we're all in this together, when it suits.

Would that be the same Sadiq Khan who loves to take the credit when things go well, but blames every fluker else when it doesn't?

[BigFatPie]

Would that be the same Sadiq Khan who loves to take the credit when things go well, but blames every fluker else when it doesn't?

Does he Sinbad? I’d love to say that about a Tory politician, but nothing’s gone well to take the credit for.

[navypie]

Does he Sinbad? I’d love to say that about a Tory politician, but nothing’s gone well to take the credit for.

Yes, he does, Lardy.

[countygump]

Does he Sinbad? I’d love to say that about a Tory politician, but nothing’s gone well to take the credit for.

Despite the absolute turmoil we've been through, public seem to disagree with you, Bif.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/07/10/voting-intention-con-46-lab-36-8-9-jul