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A fairly scathing appraisal of the handling of the virus from someone who a lot of this government's supporters on here respect.
Ironic in a way that the reason we have a government made up of low grade people in the first place is because they were selected on Brexit loyalty rather than competence, but it's always quite nice to see people break with political trench warfare and call it as they see it.
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There are certainly plenty of low grade politicians about, that's for sure.Originally posted by drillerpie View Posthttps://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...33737666673845
A fairly scathing appraisal of the handling of the virus from someone who a lot of this government's supporters on here respect.
Ironic in a way that the reason we have a government made up of low grade people in the first place is because they were selected on Brexit loyalty rather than competence, but it's always quite nice to see people break with political trench warfare and call it as they see it.
WATCH: Car crash interview with Labour's Shadow Chancellor, Anneliese Dodds. She completely failed to give any costings for Labour's covid plans. Even the BBC was exasperated. Utterly useless. https://t.co/NGpyqkFubc
Another massive surprise, not.
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No arguments from me on that score. They select for different criteria to the Conservatives, but unfortunately still not competence. Lucky she was being interviewed by a female otherwise that might have been classed as a hate crime.Originally posted by countygump View PostThere are certainly plenty of low grade politicians about
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One thing that puzzles me is, my cousin caught covid while she was in hospital, she was sent home very ill. She is 84 and lives on her own so social services became involved. She had to isolate for 14 days which ended at the weekend but she's been told she doesn't have to have another test which I find very concerning.
Surely she should be tested to make sure it has gone?
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... I do love it when the anti-gov mobsters, often Remoaners, react with consternation that their views can be questioned. A spot of fun here for those who believe that their beloved EU can do no wrong. Perhaps our posters located in La Belle France would comment, since they are on the spot (guess predictions of 'nothing wrong here' could show) ...
"Emmanuel Macron’s coronavirus vaccine rollout branded ‘biggest fiasco in medical history’
EMMANUEL MACRON is battling a coronavirus vaccine "fiasco" as officials vow to speed up the country's jab rollout - which has so far been slow.
By EDWARD BROWNE
PUBLISHED: 05:45,Tue, Jan 5, 2021
The country (France) reported 516 vaccinations in the first week the rollout was announced, according to public health data tool CovidTracker. The number is far below the tens of thousands of daily vaccinations needed for France to reach its target of one million doses administered by the end of this month.
Martin Blachier, a French health expert and epidemiologist, went so far as to call the slow rollout “the biggest fiasco we’ve ever had in the medical world”, the BBC reports.
French officials are claiming the delay is due to logistics, with teams being sent to care homes and also needing consent.
However, reports are also pointing to France’s population which is described as vaccine-sceptical. The country is struggling to roll out a jab quickly. An Ipsos poll conducted late last year suggested only 40 percent of those polled planned to be vaccinated.
A health ministry official at the time said the country was setting up for “a marathon” and not a sprint.
Olivier Véran, France’s Minister of Health, has now claimed “several thousand people” were vaccinated against coronavirus on Monday.
Polls suggest France's population is reluctant to take the vaccine. He added this number would increase through this week as vaccinations centres rapidly multiply.
In addition, Government spokesman Gabriel Attal has insisted vaccination rollout will “really take off this week” and claimed 500,000 doses would be available from nearly 100 medical centres by tomorrow.
Yesterday’s alleged figures mark an improvement from last week, though France currently remains behind other European countries such as Germany, which had vaccinated around 238,000 people as of Sunday.
The UK also had a head-start of a few weeks compared with the rest of Europe, as Britain’s rollout of the Pfizer/BioNTech jab began on December 7.
European nations, meanwhile, began their rollout on the weekend of December 26. According to analysts, France’s rollout woes could prove harmful for President Emmanuel Macron’s re-election prospects.
Analysts say the vaccine rollout could affect Mr Macron's re-election. Chloé Morin, a social scientist who has worked with the French Government in the past, told European news site Politico the vaccine rollout would be “extremely symbolic” for Mr Macron and that “the stakes are very big.”
The French president faces re-election in 2022 when the nation goes to the polls.
The Netherlands remains the only EU country not to have started a vaccine rollout at all. The EU began its vaccine rollout in late December. The launch there had been set for January 8, though it has now been brought forward to tomorrow.
The UK began the rollout of its second coronavirus vaccine this week – the domestically-produced Oxford/AstraZeneca jab."
... of course it's Daily Express print, but it's source is the BBC; so surely that cannot be questioned ...
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Are there any such people? I don't remember anyone saying that ever. I said at the time of the Brexit vote that the EU were a far from perfect frequently corrupt bunch. I also said they were still a better option than the Conservative party. Nothing that has happened since has caused me to change that opinion.Originally posted by TheBlackHorse View PostA spot of fun here for those who believe that their beloved EU can do no wrong.
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Yep. Also what has France’s crappy vaccination roll out(if that’s what it is) got to do with the EU?Originally posted by Elite_Pie View PostAre there any such people? I don't remember anyone saying that ever. I said at the time of the Brexit vote that the EU were a far from perfect frequently corrupt bunch. I also said they were still a better option than the Conservative party. Nothing that has happened since has caused me to change that opinion.
The anti lockdown people are a lot like Brexiters. They accuse others of ‘loving lockdowns’ and ‘not caring about people’s livelihoods’ when of course in a pandemic there are no good options, just less bad ones.
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My good lady was given the 17th of Jan as her covid jab date. She's just texted me from work and said she's just been jabanated ( I quite like that ) today, so hopefully, they are speeding things up. Mind you, if she hadn't brought it home in the bloody first place!Originally posted by BanjoPie View PostNot necessarily, once the vaccination program is completed the chances are that R would be below 0.1 and so the unvaccinated would be very unlucky to contract the virus, so in effect, they would have considerable protection by default.
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... don't change the subject. I was merely offering news regarding our friends vaunted handling of CV19 in their country. As for our gov handling, Mr Hindsight, time will tell when the full picture is eventually known.
One mistake, I believe, is that instead of *****-footing about being nice to everyone, the UK should have been told that we are at war with an unseen enemy and taken all measures to prevent it. Instead of HM Forces being at the front line, this time it is the NHS and all support services. In that circumstance you also call up anyone else that can contribute, whether it's Jo Public delivering goods from A to B, or whatever. You also allow decisions to be taken to override some of the democratic niceties, as highlighted, for example, in the NHS requirement that all must pass the woke tests - the absurd PC brigade have some uses, but please ...
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Originally posted by Ayeayeskipper View PostMy good lady was given the 17th of Jan as her covid jab date. She's just texted me from work and said she's just been jabanated ( I quite like that ) today, so hopefully, they are speeding things up. Mind you, if she hadn't brought it home in the bloody first place!
My son-in-law, (paramedic) had his a couple of days ago so it looks like they're getting on with it. Bloody good job as well, where's my jabination?
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Genuine question, what are the 'woke tests'?Originally posted by TheBlackHorse View Post... don't change the subject. I was merely offering news regarding our friends vaunted handling of CV19 in their country. As for our gov handling, Mr Hindsight, time will tell when the full picture is eventually known.
One mistake, I believe, is that instead of *****-footing about being nice to everyone, the UK should have been told that we are at war with an unseen enemy and taken all measures to prevent it. Instead of HM Forces being at the front line, this time it is the NHS and all support services. In that circumstance you also call up anyone else that can contribute, whether it's Jo Public delivering goods from A to B, or whatever. You also allow decisions to be taken to override some of the democratic niceties, as highlighted, for example, in the NHS requirement that all must pass the woke tests - the absurd PC brigade have some uses, but please ...
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