O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Mapperleypie]

You seem to be missing the point. I agree those "students & mostly youngsters breaking the rules and having house parties" were indeed idiots. Because they were breaking the rules. Those in the nightclub were not breaking any rules, they were simply doing what the government has told them they are now allowed to do. Do you not see the difference?

It's quite a simple premise. I'm not sure why Banjo doesn't get it.

[BanjoPie]

You are both missing my point!! - whilst they may not be breaking any rules, they are not being responsible citizens when they act like they do in the nightclubs environment in fact they are being totally irresponsible ie; ‘idiots’

“Fluggermeluggs”

[Elite_Pie]

You are both missing my point!! - whilst they may not be breaking any rules, they are not being responsible citizens when they act like they do in the nightclubs environment in fact they are being totally irresponsible ie; ‘idiots’

“Fluggermeluggs”

It seems the logical approach has failed, so I'll try a different one. Try and rewind a bit Banjo (or a lot in my case), and imagine you are a decent and responsible person who turned 18 a year or so ago and has followed all the Covid rules to the letter. That means you have been forced to give up one of the most memorable years of your social life, but you did it because you had to. Finally, the rules allow that social life to start. What would you do as an 18/19 year old who has never been clubbing? Would you embrace your new freedom to the max (me), or would you say that some boring fart will brand you an idiot and stay at home (you)?

[BanjoPie]

I would take the responsible approach unlike you!

[crazyfists]

I don't know many 18 year olds now or when I was one that after 18 months of staying in wouldn't go out now they're told they can. Solid leadership should mean that following the rules is OK but because of our weak leadership then it might still cause problems. Not the students fault.and they're only doing what they're told they can do. This government is crap and even its supporters are starting to realise.

[BanjoPie]

I don't know many 18 year olds now or when I was one that after 18 months of staying in wouldn't go out now they're told they can. Solid leadership should mean that following the rules is OK but because of our weak leadership then it might still cause problems. Not the students fault.and they're only doing what they're told they can do. This government is crap and even its supporters are starting to realise.

May I suggest that you and Elite relocate to Russia! - the government there enforce the laws quite well, you will be right at home.

[forwardmagpie]

I don't know many 18 year olds now or when I was one that after 18 months of staying in wouldn't go out now they're told they can. Solid leadership should mean that following the rules is OK but because of our weak leadership then it might still cause problems. Not the students fault.and they're only doing what they're told they can do. This government is crap and even its supporters are starting to realise.

Strange viewpoint - people (mainly 18 year olds and students you say) don’t use common sense, it’s the government’s fault. If solid opposition leadership had been in power it would have been fine though.

[BanjoPie]

Strange viewpoint - people (mainly 18 year olds and students you say) don’t use common sense, it’s the government’s fault. If solid opposition leadership had been in power it would have been fine though.

Strange people!

[drillerpie]

The opposition would probably have been more cautious about reopening and kept places like nightclubs closed - you can obviously argue whether you think that is the right decision or not.

I think what Elite and others are saying though is that once the government declares a freedom day, tells places like nightclubs they can reopen, tells people they can now go to nightclubs, it's perfectly reasonable to expect nightclub owners and nightclub goers to take them up on that. I really don't see anything strange about that point of view at all.

[macse15]

The opposition would probably have been more cautious about reopening and kept places like nightclubs closed - you can obviously argue whether you think that is the right decision or not.

I think what Elite and others are saying though is that once the government declares a freedom day, tells places like nightclubs they can reopen, tells people they can now go to nightclubs, it's perfectly reasonable to expect nightclub owners and nightclub goers to take them up on that. I really don't see anything strange about that point of view at all.

Although people think all Covid Restrictions have been lifted the Govt has actually kept the handwashing recommendation and is continuing to do this on a daily basis

[forwardmagpie]

The opposition would probably have been more cautious about reopening and kept places like nightclubs closed - you can obviously argue whether you think that is the right decision or not.

I think what Elite and others are saying though is that once the government declares a freedom day, tells places like nightclubs they can reopen, tells people they can now go to nightclubs, it's perfectly reasonable to expect nightclub owners and nightclub goers to take them up on that. I really don't see anything strange about that point of view at all.

The first part of your reply is an assumption driller, you may or may be right.

Do you honestly think as crazyfists suggests that 18 year olds and students haven’t been out for 18 months because that is not what I have seen?

You don’t think it is strange to assume that young people and students have no common sense. At what age does common sense arrive.

[Elite_Pie]

Strange viewpoint - people (mainly 18 year olds and students you say) don’t use common sense, it’s the government’s fault. If solid opposition leadership had been in power it would have been fine though.

By attending a nightclub when the government tells them they can, how are they not using common sense?

[crazyfists]

Strange viewpoint - people (mainly 18 year olds and students you say) don’t use common sense, it’s the government’s fault. If solid opposition leadership had been in power it would have been fine though.

You're not being realistic though are you and ignoring that to support your argument which is fine but not really productive. We all know that 99% of 18 year olds who have been following the guidance for 18 months then told that they can go out by the same people who told them to stay in are going to go out. They've followed the guidelines and to those that are thinking they won't get that ill anyway as they're young then they're going to go out. Whether I agree or not you're not looking at the facts that the young thesedays, after doing what they're told, are going to go out when they're told they can. For them they have done their bit as advised by those in charge. It's also unrealistic to expect 18 year olds to act for the greater good as say a 50 year old, wouldn't happen now and wouldn't have happened when I was 18.

In regards to the strong leadership I think your argument is hilarious. We have a PM who would change his opinion if promised 5 extra votes and more and more each day is looking like a homeless person. Patel would sell her own grandma down the river, she's a vile creature. If we had a strong PM from the start who was clear in his and the countries vision, who didn't flop about like a trout on the riverbank and had acted straight away closing borders especially when delta was here then we'd be in a much better position and probably not arguing over whether 18 year olds going to clubs is a massive problem.

Reply with what you want mate I won't respond but I don't need to as everytime you stick up for this government and how they've acted under Covid you're making yourself look a wally. Even how supporters know he's toxic and inept so do the rest of the world, we're a laughing stock so yeah you enjoy this government mate I can't wait till they **** off.

[forwardmagpie]

By attending a nightclub when the government tells them they can, how are they not using common sense?

Because they have a choice elite they don’t have to go to a nightclub, maybe I just believe in personal responsibility more than you do.

I don’t need the government to tell me everything and surely with your view on this government that is a good thing.

[forwardmagpie]

You're not being realistic though are you and ignoring that to support your argument which is fine but not really productive. We all know that 99% of 18 year olds who have been following the guidance for 18 months then told that they can go out by the same people who told them to stay in are going to go out. They've followed the guidelines and to those that are thinking they won't get that ill anyway as they're young then they're going to go out. Whether I agree or not you're not looking at the facts that the young thesedays, after doing what they're told, are going to go out when they're told they can. For them they have done their bit as advised by those in charge. It's also unrealistic to expect 18 year olds to act for the greater good as say a 50 year old, wouldn't happen now and wouldn't have happened when I was 18.

In regards to the strong leadership I think your argument is hilarious. We have a PM who would change his opinion if promised 5 extra votes and more and more each day is looking like a homeless person. Patel would sell her own grandma down the river, she's a vile creature. If we had a strong PM from the start who was clear in his and the countries vision, who didn't flop about like a trout on the riverbank and had acted straight away closing borders especially when delta was here then we'd be in a much better position and probably not arguing over whether 18 year olds going to clubs is a massive problem.

Reply with what you want mate I won't respond but I don't need to as everytime you stick up for this government and how they've acted under Covid you're making yourself look a wally. Even how supporters know he's toxic and inept so do the rest of the world, we're a laughing stock so yeah you enjoy this government mate I can't wait till they **** off.

Read my reply how you like crazyfists I don’t stick up for this government I merely questioned that if we had a solid government as you suggest 18 year olds would have behaved differently.
Calling me a Wally just a makes me smile.