O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[SaltySeaDog]

The CDC begins to acknowledge reality, one small step at a time.

https://reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/prior-covid-infection-more-protective-than-vaccination-during-delta-surge-us-2022-01-19/

Disinformation, n.: 1. True information shared by unofficial sources released before it is recognized by the official narrative. 2. (Archaic) False information intended to deceive.

I see Belgium have pulled Moderna for young men as they now recognise the damage being done.

It does say however that the best protection was from both a vaccine and prior infection. But yes that natural immunity was better than the vaccine

Yeah, there has been a big spike in young male deaths that is being investigated. I hope they find the answer whatever it may be

[drillerpie]

UK Dr John Campbell, pro vaccine and pro safety measures, discussing the recent freedom of information revelation......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw

Basically the total UK deaths solely due to Covid 2019-to 3Q 2021 (not with or with other major health issues).
17,500

He's clearly very surprised how low that figure actually is.

Just under 30,000 died of Influenza-Pneumonia in the UK in 2018 and 26,000 in 2019.

I'm just very glad to be living in England and not a whole bunch of countries still suffering this mass derangement right now, but obviously concerned what might be coming next, not least inflation levels.

I like the guy in the video. He seems very reasonable and avoids hyperbole.

The statistic in question is clearly very interesting. I think we all already knew the general gist of what it illustrates (Covid is most dangerous for older people with pre-existing medical conditions) but to see it spelled out like that will rightly raise questions.

A few points I would like to make:

I don't know if the comparisons with previous flu seasons are accurate, as they too may contain deaths from flu+pre-existing conditions. It's also possible they don't, but it would be good to know before engaging in comparisons.

It would also be good to see the same stats (age/pre-existing medical conditions) for people who were hospitalised and hospitalised in intensive care, as I think this is a key point. I remember bringing this up in my debate with Jackal at the very start of the pandemic. Leaving aside the whole issue of media sensationalism, which I actually agree with, from a government's point of view, they have to evacuate the impact on hospitals, which then impacts on society in general, if there is no functioning emergency healthcare system.

In any case I am still quite sympathetic to the dilemma governments found themselves in, especially at the beginning of the pandemic when there were a lot of unknowns, but this statistic does raise some important questions and deserves more coverage than it is getting IMO.

[upthemaggies]

I like the guy in the video. He seems very reasonable and avoids hyperbole.

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Yes, I watched him on a daily basis at the start of the pandemic. He was very concerned for Africa and expected it to be worse there than anywhere, once it took hold, but for some reason it's been the least affected continent of all as far as we can tell. Well, except for Antarctica perhaps.

Over on my side of the fence, it's interesting to see now how around half of the UK sceptics are celebrating that it's finally over and the other half are bracing themselves for phase 2, with some expecting this to be a shift away from the pandemic to climate change measures - power cuts and shortages and others believing it's going to be a war of some sort.

[macstop]

Yes, I watched him on a daily basis at the start of the pandemic. He was very concerned for Africa and expected it to be worse there than anywhere, once it took hold, but for some reason it's been the least affected continent of all as far as we can tell. Well, except for Antarctica perhaps.

Over on my side of the fence, it's interesting to see now how around half of the UK sceptics are celebrating that it's finally over and the other half are bracing themselves for phase 2, with some expecting this to be a shift away from the pandemic to climate change measures - power cuts and shortages and others believing it's going to be a war of some sort.

If you look at Doctor Johns last video, top comment is mine asking John to take a look at the ONS report, don't know if he took my advice or found it for himself, anyway what great video he put together and i loved the section at the end with regards to cancer deaths.

[Riverleeno]

We're talking about NHS staff here who have a duty of care to their patients. If they had taken all reasonable and available steps to be safe then I have nothing I can sue them for. If they failed to take all reasonable and available steps then in my view they would have acted negligently. If they won't take the reasonable and available steps they should move out of patient facing work.

After vaccines became available ( I presume you're not waiting for the government mandate to come into effect to keep yourself safe? ) have you carried a card or told your relatives that - so that if you had the misfortune to suffer a heart attack or be bleeding to death after a nasty DIY accident - you would refuse treatment from an unvaccinated first responder/ nurse/ surgeon. Obviously you would not want to catch COVID off them in that situation and would be happy to wait for the next paramedic or on-call surgeon.

[Old_pie]

After vaccines became available ( I presume you're not waiting for the government mandate to come into effect to keep yourself safe? ) have you carried a card or told your relatives that - so that if you had the misfortune to suffer a heart attack or be bleeding to death after a nasty DIY accident - you would refuse treatment from an unvaccinated first responder/ nurse/ surgeon. Obviously you would not want to catch COVID off them in that situation and would be happy to wait for the next paramedic or on-call surgeon.

Question: You end up bleeding to death and you have a choice of being treated by vaccinated or unvaccinated - presumably you don't care which.

Answer to your question - I've told my wife to sue any hospital that causes a deterioration in my condition due to any action they have failed to take to optimise my care. Whether that's Hep B, Covid or leaving a lump of plastic inside me doesn't matter.

[Riverleeno]

Question: You end up bleeding to death and you have a choice of being treated by vaccinated or unvaccinated - presumably you don't care which.

Correct.

[Riverleeno]

Answer to your question - I've told my wife to sue any hospital that causes a deterioration in my condition due to any action they have failed to take to optimise my care. Whether that's Hep B, Covid or leaving a lump of plastic inside me doesn't matter.

So do you send the unvaccinated paramedic away?

[Old_pie]

So do you send the unvaccinated paramedic away?

I've stated more than once my stance. What bit are you struggling with? And what would you do if your condition deteriorates from contracting a transmissible disease eg covid from someone who hadn't take all available precaution?

[Riverleeno]

I've stated more than once my stance. What bit are you struggling with? And what would you do if your condition deteriorates from contracting a transmissible disease eg covid from someone who hadn't take all available precaution?

I've read your posts I still don't know what you are going to say to the paramedic as you bleed to death.

[Riverleeno]

And what would you do if your condition deteriorates from contracting a transmissible disease eg covid from someone who hadn't take all available precaution?

As the COVID vaccine doesn't stop transmission my only interest is whether it works to reduce symptoms for me, not whether someone else has taken it.

[BigFatPie]

I've read your posts I still don't know what you are going to say to the paramedic as you bleed to death.

Do you think NHS should have the vaccine? I think they should, and I wish the NHS were in a position to sack them if they don’t.

Unfortunately it isn’t though.

[Old_pie]

I've read your posts I still don't know what you are going to say to the paramedic as you bleed to death.

"If you make my condition worse by giving me Covid when you could have mitigated the risk by taking all available precautions including the jab I'll sue you"

[Robertomac]

What about a fully vaxxed doctor giving it to you?

In any case, I think any litigation would seriously struggle to prove a particular individual was the vector.

[Riverleeno]

"If you make my condition worse by giving me Covid when you could have mitigated the risk by taking all available precautions including the jab I'll sue you"

Said nobody ever as they bleed to death to the paramedic who has the skills and equipment to save their life.