O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Magpies1959]

BFP, would be the point of me making these people up, I can give you names if you want. It is 'these people' that say their pay is so/too good, not me.
What annoys me is that there are workers on far less pay who cannot strike, but just have to struggle on. The Unions are obviously just out to overthrow the government.
Sadly Labour these days are just a bunch of champagne elitists, who are as dishonest as all other politicians and equally as rich, (fingers in pies).
As someone who was paid the minimum wage the majority of my working life, I should be a Labour voter, but again sadly they tried to overturn a democratic referendum result, and think that women can have *****es, so unfortunately it is impossible for me to vote for them.

[BigFatPie]

BFP, would be the point of me making these people up, I can give you names if you want. It is 'these people' that say their pay is so/too good, not me.
What annoys me is that there are workers on far less pay who cannot strike, but just have to struggle on. The Unions are obviously just out to overthrow the government.
Sadly Labour these days are just a bunch of champagne elitists, who are as dishonest as all other politicians and equally as rich, (fingers in pies).
As someone who was paid the minimum wage the majority of my working life, I should be a Labour voter, but again sadly they tried to overturn a democratic referendum result, and think that women can have *****es, so unfortunately it is impossible for me to vote for them.

If I could assume you were born in 1959 and you started work aged 16 you didn’t earn the minimum wage for 23 years because it didn’t exist. You know who brought it in? The Labour Party, which does tend to do progressive stuff like that, hence why the vested interests are so desperate to persuade the likes of you that they’re ‘champagne elitists’ whatever that means.

Who are the people that ‘cannot strike’ and why do you think they earn less than the people that can?

[BigFatPie]

Pain, and suffering is part of human life. As much as people try to avoid pain, the reality is that there can be no gain without pain.

Mick Cash, the RMT’s former general secretary, took home a total remuneration of £163,468 in 2020, including £1,432 in car benefit. Steve Hedley, former RMT senior assistant general secretary, had a total remuneration of £94,016, including £2,945 in car benefit, in the same year. Former RMT assistant general secretary and now the union’s general secretary, Mick Lynch, had total remuneration of £118,450 in 2020.

Looks like these lads managed to reverse the trend . Some people are more equal than others .

Oh dear. Why are people who are so interested in the wages of elected union officials never bothered about the vastly greater wages of the executives who oppose them?

Whatever money he’s on, I’d say Mick Lynch is more than earning his wages at the moment. And if he isn’t, his members will vote him out at the next opportunity.

[Elite_Pie]

Sadly Labour these days are just a bunch of champagne elitists, who are as dishonest as all other politicians and equally as rich.

Complete and utter bullsh!t. So give me the names of those Labour politicians who are as dishonest as Boris Johnson.

Google might offer you a few choices, but as dishonest as Boris Johnson?

Let's see your list.

[magpie_mania]

Two interesting by-elections today which might offer an insight into opinions on 'the leadership'. If Labour don't regain Wakefield they might as well give up, but Tiverton and Honiton looks an interesting one. The Tory MP who held a huge majority was forced to resign after being caught watching p orn (he was searching for tractors, honest!) in parliament, and now it seems to be a close thing between them and the LibDems. If the Tories do lose the seat, a few of their MPs in marginal seats will start to panic.

Huge swing, can't see how anyone can seriously spin this one.

Dowden has gone (before he was pushed imo) but Johnson just ploughs on. The only way he will leave Downing Street will be to be dragged kicking and screaming. Even then he will blame everyone else.

[countygump]

Huge swing, can't see how anyone can seriously spin this one.

Dowden has gone (before he was pushed imo) but Johnson just ploughs on. The only way he will leave Downing Street will be to be dragged kicking and screaming. Even then he will blame everyone else.

Wakefield, meh, Tiverton, ouch. If there's one thing the Cons don't do, it's liabilties. I can see Boris being ''persuaded'' to go.

[GranthamPie]

The Human Clagnut will cling on… he’s down to his last few arse hairs now.

[Elite_Pie]

Wakefield, meh, Tiverton, ouch. If there's one thing the Cons don't do, it's liabilties. I can see Boris being ''persuaded'' to go.

You would hope so. It's clear the country don't want him, much of his own party don't want him, but he's being propped up by the grovelling bunch of toadying sycophants he's surrounded himself with.

If the confidence vote had taken place today I think he'd be gone.

[magpie_mania]

You would hope so. It's clear the country don't want him, much of his own party don't want him, but he's being propped up by the grovelling bunch of toadying sycophants he's surrounded himself with.

If the confidence vote had taken place today I think he'd be gone.

Apparently the PM is listening to what people are saying.

Can't see other cabinet ministers wanting him out as many of them would lose their jobs. Nadine Dorries, Patel, Rees-Mogg are surely only there because they are willing to defend him to the hilt.

Time to stand up and be counted, but I can't see them doing it.

Boris is away ...... time to change the locks?

[countygump]

Apparently the PM is listening to what people are saying.

Can't see other cabinet ministers wanting him out as many of them would lose their jobs. Nadine Dorries, Patel, Rees-Mogg are surely only there because they are willing to defend him to the hilt.

Time to stand up and be counted, but I can't see them doing it.

Boris is away ...... time to change the locks?

My theory: For what it's twerth.

They'll ask Boris to resign honourably? or change the rules by which you are allowed to submit letters and force a(nother), VoNC. There are rumblings amongst the troops that they are gonna do that anyrode. Not even Boris is brass necked enuff, to face multiple VoNC's. Is he?

[frenchmagpie]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-61917259

Feeling mugged off at all ?

[Magpies1959]

It seems obvious to me there has been a concerted and united effort by msn, other political parties, (even some of his own) and the unions, to try to oust Boris Johnson, mutch the same as with Trump across the pond. Many of the lies Johnson is renowned for, when drilled down turn out to be massively hyped up or even false.
The fact he has stood firm against this witch hunt, shows great strength of character, something not obviously in abundance, in his would be successors, fro either his own party, or Labour.
The fact the Tories are only 2% behind Labour mid term, tells you that BJ and the Tories are not as unpopular as the msm would have you believe.
We are living in extraordinary times, at the moment, and believe we would have been in deeper doo doo had any other leader been in charge.
To finish with an honest question, does anyone believe Starmer has not told lies whilst leading his party.

[Mapperleypie]

It seems obvious to me there has been a concerted and united effort by msn, other political parties, (even some of his own) and the unions, to try to oust Boris Johnson, mutch the same as with Trump across the pond. Many of the lies Johnson is renowned for, when drilled down turn out to be massively hyped up or even false.

Extraordinary.

All the MSM right from The Daily Mail, The Sun, The Express, The Times, The Telegraph right through to the smarter media such as GB News.

Poor old Boris, he's only been sacked for lying from every job he's ever had but perhaps he's not a charlatan and a compulsive liar but simply misunderstood.

Keep putting the x in the box 1959, as someone that purports to have lived off minimum wage for most of your life you are the Eton old boys dream.

[GranthamPie]

To finish with an honest question, does anyone believe Starmer has not told lies whilst leading his party.

I can’t stand Starmer for his treachery but I’d like to see an example of his supposed lies. As former Director of Public Prosecutions and
Head of the CPS… I doubt very much that you can give one example, let alone numerous as you purport.

[countygump]

It seems obvious to me there has been a concerted and united effort by msn, other political parties, (even some of his own) and the unions, to try to oust Boris Johnson.

There might well be an element of truth to that, but Boris has done his absolute level best to help them.