O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

[drillerpie]

I haven't read any of these but Canada has a record in numerous cases both as complainant and respondent.

https://www.wto.org/english/news_e/archive_e/country_subj_arc_e.htm?country1=CAN&subject1=DISP

https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds557_e.htm

According to todays news, the UK and EU are now in his cross hairs.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cqjvg82lg4yt

Yes, sure. That's easy to prove, which is why I called it a much softer claim.

His original claim was that Canada can import most of their goods to the US tariff free, while the US has to pay large tariffs to export to Canada. When I said I didn't think that was true, he gave me some articles about milk subsidies, something about New Zealand, nothing about the actual claim he made, and then did a victory lap.

If it turns out I'm wrong and Lullapie is right, and Canada can (now could) sell in the USA tariff free while the USA has to pay large tariffs to sell in Canada, my next question is what that says about Trump's deal making skills, seeing as he renegotiated US-Canada trade in his first term.

So basically Lullapie has to either admit that he just makes things up, or admit that Trump negotiated a terrible deal. Judging by his posts, neither of those things come very easy to him, so expect more bluff and bluster / personal stuff in his next post.

[Lullapie]

I'm not going to reply in kind with personal comments and so on, but I'm afraid I am going to insist on you proving the claim you made.

Your claim was that Canada can import most of their goods to the US tariff free, while the US has to pay large tariffs to export to Canada.

As I said before, the articles you posted as supposed proof do not in any way support the claim you made.

If among all your bluff and bluster you would like to walk back that claim and change it to the much softer claim of 'other countries apart from the USA use tariffs' or 'Canada is involved in trade disputes with other countries' as seems possible from your last post, just say that clearly.

Boring???.zzzzzzz

[Lullapie]

Yes, sure. That's easy to prove, which is why I called it a much softer claim.

His original claim was that Canada can import most of their goods to the US tariff free, while the US has to pay large tariffs to export to Canada. When I said I didn't think that was true, he gave me some articles about milk subsidies, something about New Zealand, nothing about the actual claim he made, and then did a victory lap.

If it turns out I'm wrong and Lullapie is right, and Canada can (now could) sell in the USA tariff free while the USA has to pay large tariffs to sell in Canada, my next question is what that says about Trump's deal making skills, seeing as he renegotiated US-Canada trade in his first term.

So basically Lullapie has to either admit that he just makes things up, or admit that Trump negotiated a terrible deal. Judging by his posts, neither of those things come very easy to him, so expect more bluff and bluster / personal stuff in his next post.

You seem to have been asleep at your keyboard for the last four years. There was a guy in power called Joe Biden.

Are you blaming Trump for trade agreements made while he wasn?t in power?

Seriously you make the most deluded rants. You ask for proof from others and when they supply it, you say that you can?t be bothered to read it.

[TheBlackHorse]

This is also confusing. You sound angry that you won and got what you wanted.

It's not confusing. Yes 'we' won the vote decision but have been lied to regarding implementation. It's no wonder the reputation of politicians, the Civil Service and 'Remainer' corporates is poor.

[Med Pie]

Yes, sure. That's easy to prove, which is why I called it a much softer claim.

His original claim was that Canada can import most of their goods to the US tariff free, while the US has to pay large tariffs to export to Canada. When I said I didn't think that was true, he gave me some articles about milk subsidies, something about New Zealand, nothing about the actual claim he made, and then did a victory lap.

If it turns out I'm wrong and Lullapie is right, and Canada can (now could) sell in the USA tariff free while the USA has to pay large tariffs to sell in Canada, my next question is what that says about Trump's deal making skills, seeing as he renegotiated US-Canada trade in his first term.

So basically Lullapie has to either admit that he just makes things up, or admit that Trump negotiated a terrible deal. Judging by his posts, neither of those things come very easy to him, so expect more bluff and bluster / personal stuff in his next post.

There are numerous cases in that list regarding 'lumber' so that's one area where there's been an imbalance and in fact, Trump mentioned that specifically along with cars.

[ThePieWhoCameIn]

It's not confusing. Yes 'we' won the vote decision but have been lied to regarding implementation. It's no wonder the reputation of politicians, the Civil Service and 'Remainer' corporates is poor.

What were you hoping for from the implementation? A lot of claims were made before the referendum about what Brexit could be like and some of them contradicted each other, so there was no way everyone was going to be happy.

Boris was elected to get Brexit done, and signed off the deal. Would you rather someone else had handled it?

[BigFatPie]

You seem to have been asleep at your keyboard for the last four years. There was a guy in power called Joe Biden.

Are you blaming Trump for trade agreements made while he wasn?t in power?

Seriously you make the most deluded rants. You ask for proof from others and when they supply it, you say that you can?t be bothered to read it.

One of the many friends and people he?s apparently always talking to and agreeing with him should have told this bloke that President Rapist negotiated and signed the last North American trade deal.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States%E2%80%93Mexico%E2%80%93Canada_Agreement

My own personal theory is that Trump and his cronies are using this tariff nonsense to distract from the nefarious sh!t that Musk and his cronies are doing to take effective control of government.

https://x.com/wired/status/1886181066651947499?s=46

[slack_pie]

One of the many friends and people he?s apparently always talking to and agreeing with him should have told this bloke that President Rapist negotiated and signed the last North American trade deal.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States%E2%80%93Mexico%E2%80%93Canada_Agreement

My own personal theory is that Trump and his cronies are using this tariff nonsense to distract from the nefarious sh!t that Musk and his cronies are doing to take effective control of government.

https://x.com/wired/status/1886181066651947499?s=46

I thought part of his mandate at DOGE was to modernise federal tech infrastructure and processes. He's literally been asked to do this by the president, who recently won a landslide victory. Not sure how all that plays into the idea that he's taking control of or "infiltrating" the government.

[TheBlackHorse]

What were you hoping for from the implementation? A lot of claims were made before the referendum about what Brexit could be like and some of them contradicted each other, so there was no way everyone was going to be happy.

Boris was elected to get Brexit done, and signed off the deal. Would you rather someone else had handled it?

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Recent years have shown the truth that we have a poor quality set of MP's, of most persuasions. Boris is a flaky chancer and couldn't bring together a team worthy of the name to negotiate an effective exit deal.
The first step should always have been to get out of the control pf the ECJ and it's appendage the ECHR both worthwhile when set in place in the 1950's but currently not fit for purpose other than to allow lawyers to line their pockets and prop up both the UK and EC establishments.
Freedom to do what you want is worth the price of getting away from EU and UK establishment controls.

[BigFatPie]

I thought part of his mandate at DOGE was to modernise federal tech infrastructure and processes. He's literally been asked to do this by the president, who recently won a landslide victory. Not sure how all that plays into the idea that he's taking control of or "infiltrating" the government.

Yes, that might be all there is to it in the same way I might get 10 million quid if I give that Nigerian prince all my bank details.

[slack_pie]

Yes, that might be all there is to it in the same way I might get 10 million quid if I give that Nigerian prince all my bank details.

Yeah, maybe you are right and Trump levied tariffs as a sort of smoke screen so that Elon Musk could take over the government from within by employing young minions he's worked with before. Or maybe that's just a conspiracy theory made up by the left to prove they were right all along. Who knows!

[Med Pie]

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Recent years have shown the truth that we have a poor quality set of MP's, of most persuasions. Boris is a flaky chancer and couldn't bring together a team worthy of the name to negotiate an effective exit deal.
The first step should always have been to get out of the control pf the ECJ and it's appendage the ECHR both worthwhile when set in place in the 1950's but currently not fit for purpose other than to allow lawyers to line their pockets and prop up both the UK and EC establishments.
Freedom to do what you want is worth the price of getting away from EU and UK establishment controls.

Excellent post.

[ThePieWhoCameIn]

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Recent years have shown the truth that we have a poor quality set of MP's, of most persuasions. Boris is a flaky chancer and couldn't bring together a team worthy of the name to negotiate an effective exit deal.

On this, we are in complete agreement.

The first step should always have been to get out of the control pf the ECJ and it's appendage the ECHR both worthwhile when set in place in the 1950's but currently not fit for purpose other than to allow lawyers to line their pockets and prop up both the UK and EC establishments.

I can see the merits of this but it's never a case of being able to pick and choose the bits you want and discard the bits you don't. The whole relationship was far too complex and interrelated - the biggest lie on Brexit was how easy the exit process was going to be.

Freedom to do what you want is worth the price of getting away from EU and UK establishment controls.

Well, what freedom actually means is another 30 page thread. One person's freedom is another person's anarchy. There are places on the earth with little or no state control, but they're not usually places you'd want to live.

[Lullapie]

I thought part of his mandate at DOGE was to modernise federal tech infrastructure and processes. He's literally been asked to do this by the president, who recently won a landslide victory. Not sure how all that plays into the idea that he's taking control of or "infiltrating" the government.

Apparently he's saving the US taxpayer approximately US$4 billion a day. Important news for those that care about government wastage, but an opportunity for those to moan that like spending other peoples' money .

[Jampie]

Apparently he's saving the US taxpayer approximately US$4 billion a day. Important news for those that care about government wastage, but an opportunity for those to moan that like spending other peoples' money.

Any evidence for that figure? That would be about 1.5 trillion a year saved already, a claim I find to be vaguely preposterous.