Williams is Favourite [New Head Coach speculation thread]

[OP67]

If I were a player, I'd find it more difficult to respect a manager (or head coach) who is clearly having to defer to some other member of staff sat in an office. It also must make some degree of difference to a player if he thinks the manager rated and wanted him in the first place, as opposed to having no say in the matter.

I believe the head coach does have a say in the recruitment as he's the one that has to work with them day in day out. The recruitment team use the stats to find players that fit the playing style and suggest them....
That's if there's a coach actually in the building which there's not. It didn't work out too bad when we bought Langstaff while having no head coach.

[M0ufMk3]

It worked for previous owners when they let the manager get on with things, it stopped working for previous owners when they started interfering.

In 6 years under the current owners we've only once finished where we should have done, 2nd to Wrexham in 2023. Every other season we've finished below at least one smaller club. We've not once overachieved and still yet to finish as high as Hardy did.

Crucially you are forgetting that we appear to have got off the merry-go-round off looking like we're going to go bust at any minute. I no longer live in Nottingham so don't have the problem of my children not having any other choice than F***** but many on here would be forced into that if we were to carry on like we were. The Brothers have done that and they are building for success.

Everyone seemed to love the Brentford model until it meant (other people) not spending money like water and opting for this ridiculous sustainable success malarkey

[matt_magpie]

If I were a player, I'd find it more difficult to respect a manager (or head coach) who is clearly having to defer to some other member of staff sat in an office. It also must make some degree of difference to a player if he thinks the manager rated and wanted him in the first place, as opposed to having no say in the matter.

Can?t say I agree, that?s the guy you have to respect and work for else you?re not getting picked and that?s ultimately the biggest thing for a footballer.
It?s worked for Liverpool, there are pluses and negatives but in my opinion and only my opinion I think it?s the right way to go as it?s the only way you?ll find consistency, just has to be the right consistency.

[upthemaggies]

Crucially you are forgetting that we appear to have got off the merry-go-round off looking like we're going to go bust at any minute. I no longer live in Nottingham so don't have the problem of my children not having any other choice than F***** but many on here would be forced into that if we were to carry on like we were. The Brothers have done that and they are building for success.

Name me one club our size that's gone bust in the last 50 years with supporters left with no option but to go and watch another team. It doesn't happen. Bury had averaged less than 4k for all but one season this century and went under in exceptional circumstances (now on their way back up).

The notion that we wouldn't have a club if it wasn't for the bros is BS. We were averaging 7k the season we went down, Either somebody else would have come in at the last minute (as is often the case to get the cheapest deal possible) or we would have gone into admin and got picked up for peanuts.

The current owners have got the extra ticket money coming in that previous owners didn't have (3-6k more people through the gate) and also the extra TV money thanks to the Covid boom across football. This is a long way away from begging for 8 through the gate (and getting 5.5k) whilst having to deal with the collapse of the ITV digital deal.

[matt_magpie]

Name me one club our size that's gone bust in the last 50 years with supporters left with no option but to go and watch another team. It doesn't happen. Bury had averaged less than 4k for all but one season this century and went under in exceptional circumstances (now on their way back up).

The notion that we wouldn't have a club if it wasn't for the bros is BS. We were averaging 7k the season we went down, Either somebody else would have come in at the last minute (as is often the case to get the cheapest deal possible) or we would have gone into admin and got picked up for peanuts.

The current owners have got the extra ticket money coming in that previous owners didn't have (3-6k more people through the gate) and also the extra TV money thanks to the Covid boom across football. This is a long way away from begging for 8 through the gate (and getting 5.5k) whilst having to deal with the collapse of the ITV digital deal.

We?d have a club but let?s face it we?ve been a laughing stock the last 20 years with our near misses. My forest mates love reminding me of when they?ve put in the buckets for us at their games and that absolutely grates me.
The bros are doing everything mostly right but obviously need to up it a touch on the pitch as if they get that right too we will be looking like a real proper club on the up and I think we?d catch a wind going up through the leagues, easier said than done though.

[legs77]

We?d have a club but let?s face it we?ve been a laughing stock the last 20 years with our near misses. My forest mates love reminding me of when they?ve put in the buckets for us at their games and that absolutely grates me.
The bros are doing everything mostly right but obviously need to up it a touch on the pitch as if they get that right too we will be looking like a real proper club on the up and I think we?d catch a wind going up through the leagues, easier said than done though.

You should remind your red mates that tax payers also helped bail them out more in the early 2000's.

Of course they not mention that to you or the fact their fat owner tried to pull a fast one with changing names on paperwork and then has the brass neck to kick off about Palace.

[upthemaggies]

We?d have a club but let?s face it we?ve been a laughing stock the last 20 years with our near misses. My forest mates love reminding me of when they?ve put in the buckets for us at their games and that absolutely grates me.
The bros are doing everything mostly right but obviously need to up it a touch on the pitch as if they get that right too we will be looking like a real proper club on the up and I think we?d catch a wind going up through the leagues, easier said than done though.

We've had a bunch of chancers since Pavis who haven't had the financial clout to deal with the inevitable setbacks football throws at them, some of those setbacks not of their own making to be fair, but none of them should have been anywhere near Notts, they'd have been much better suited to somebody like Rochdale or Hartlepool.

[bule1]

We've had a bunch of chancers since Pavis who haven't had the financial clout to deal with the inevitable setbacks football throws at them, some of those setbacks not of their own making to be fair, but none of them should have been anywhere near Notts, they'd have been much better suited to somebody like Rochdale or Hartlepool.

We had financial issues when Pavis took over and his tenure ended 25 years ago, thats hardly a ringing endorsement for the old ways. Not sure what the Bros exact plans are but I feel we are in as good a place as I could wish for and I am happy to go along with their project.

[nw6pie]

We had financial issues when Pavis took over and his tenure ended 25 years ago, thats hardly a ringing endorsement for the old ways. Not sure what the Bros exact plans are but I feel we are in as good a place as I could wish for and I am happy to go along with their project.

The fact that the Bros have, for the first time in our history, given us a long-term solution to our training ground problem speaks volumes about why we’re in a great place off the field. Now that needs translating to the league.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

It worked for previous owners when they let the manager get on with things, it stopped working for previous owners when they started interfering.

In 6 years under the current owners we've only once finished where we should have done, 2nd to Wrexham in 2023. Every other season we've finished below at least one smaller club. We've not once overachieved and still yet to finish as high as Hardy did.

Gaining play off positions ! Now that's the kind of failure I can live with...!!..first time back in the 2nd division competing for a play off place until our manager was poached ! That the kind of failure I can live with. 2nd season in the second division play off defeats. That's the kind of failure I can live with.All at the expense of a new lesuire facilities including the revenue generating Nest and Paddle courts.State of the art pitch facility. State of the art new training facilities to be purpose built replicating state of the art grass pitch we play on.! Investment in young talented players.Yes this club is on its knees and everything is done on the cheap..!!🤣

[marky]

"2nd division"
What are you on about, we're in League Two, the old FOURTH division. We ARE failing simply by being in this awful league.
However that doesn't mean Hardy did a good job, he quite clearly didn't.

[countygump]

Gaining play off positions ! Now that's the kind of failure I can live with...!!..first time back in the 2nd division competing for a play off place until our manager was poached ! That the kind of failure I can live with. 2nd season in the second division play off defeats. That's the kind of failure I can live with.All at the expense of a new lesuire facilities including the revenue generating Nest and Paddle courts.State of the art pitch facility. State of the art new training facilities to be purpose built replicating state of the art grass pitch we play on.! Investment in young talented players.Yes this club is on its knees and everything is done on the cheap..!!🤣

I spose it depends how you look at it Pedro? If I was being a miserable sod, (which I often am), you could argue that 1) in our first season back in Div 4, we ought to have finished in a P/O spot, but didn't, and 2) in our 2nd season, we ought to have got auto, but didn't? The Broz ob agreed with 2) cos they sacked the manager because of it.

[Elite_Pie]

first time back in the 2nd division competing for a play off place until our manager was poached ! That the kind of failure I can live with. 2nd season in the second division play off defeats. That's the kind of failure I can live with.

But how long can you live with it? The last two seasons haven't been a disaster, but as gumpy said I think we've underachieved in both. Could you live with top half or playoff failure for the next few seasons simply because we're continuing to build for the future?

[PedroTheFisherman66]

But how long can you live with it? The last two seasons haven't been a disaster, but as gumpy said I think we've underachieved in both. Could you live with top half or playoff failure for the next few seasons simply because we're continuing to build for the future?

Yes.if we continue to compete at the top of the league.However I don't think we will be stagnating( if that's how you perceive it)for long as we seem to have an improvement season upon season so far.The squad on paper seems to be getting stronger each season, why the negativity?

[PedroTheFisherman66]

"2nd division"
What are you on about, we're in League Two, the old FOURTH division. We ARE failing simply by being in this awful league.
However that doesn't mean Hardy did a good job, he quite clearly didn't.

Yes..league 2..sorry about my terminology.We finished in the play offs..if that's awful so be it.Did you forget were in the National league and our now working our way back up through the leagues.?