Williams is Favourite [New Head Coach speculation thread]

[slack_pie]

I can't see it being LW. Too obvious a choice, and too sentimental.

I can see it being that Shaw bloke, or a weird mixture of Shaw, Alves, and someone else in a new coaching team setup with joint responsibility. What else could they mean by "restructuring the football department"?

I hope I'm wrong, but I just can't see the bros appointing an experienced leader with relevant success at this level.

[legs77]

I can't see it being LW. Too obvious a choice, and too sentimental.

I can see it being that Shaw bloke, or a weird mixture of Shaw, Alves, and someone else in a new coaching team setup with joint responsibility. What else could they mean by "restructuring the football department"?

I hope I'm wrong, but I just can't see the bros appointing an experienced leader with relevant success at this level.

Well that is going to end in failure if that happens isnt it.

You need to have one person who is boss not a mixture of 3/4 as there is bound to be tactical or selection differences so who carries the can ?

I have seen a few suggest this and I really hope its not the case.

I'll say this all 6 clubs that have had automatic promotion since we've been in L2 had a promotion on their records....that is your starting point imo

[marky]

I can't see it being LW. Too obvious a choice, and too sentimental.

I can see it being that Shaw bloke, or a weird mixture of Shaw, Alves, and someone else in a new coaching team setup with joint responsibility. What else could they mean by "restructuring the football department"?

I hope I'm wrong, but I just can't see the bros appointing an experienced leader with relevant success at this level.

So it'll be like Murphy/Thompson in 1996 then.

[slack_pie]

So it'll be like Murphy/Thompson in 1996 then.

Yeah, but with pretty football.

[legs77]

So it'll be like Murphy/Thompson in 1996 then.

Murphy was manager and Thompson assistant was how I saw it.

However it is worded you can only ever have one manager for clarity purposes.

I'll be shocked if we are paying for all the new things around the club and we appoint a former Gainsborough manager as boss.

[The_Pie_Man]

The club needs a winner with a history of promotion(s) on their CV to take us to the next level. Anything less will be extremely underwhelming.

Clearly, we need to take into account our current status as a League 2 club, but in my eyes, if we take a stab in the dark on a total unknown, we might as well have stuck with bloody Maynard (perish the thought).

[PedroTheFisherman66]

The club needs a winner with a history of promotion(s) on their CV to take us to the next level. Anything less will be extremely underwhelming.

Clearly, we need to take into account our current status as a League 2 club, but in my eyes, if we take a stab in the dark on a total unknown, we might as well have stuck with bloody Maynard (perish the thought).

Yes ! Perish the thought of a possible top six finish again..!!! I shudder at the thought....!

[slack_pie]

Well that is going to end in failure if that happens isnt it.

You need to have one person who is boss not a mixture of 3/4 as there is bound to be tactical or selection differences so who carries the can ?

I have seen a few suggest this and I really hope its not the case.

I'll say this all 6 clubs that have had automatic promotion since we've been in L2 had a promotion on their records....that is your starting point imo

I agree, but the owners seem to have a bit of a blind spot when it comes to appointing a successful and effective leader. Either that or stubbornness. As much as I appreciate the fantastic investment they are making in our infrastructure, that money is wasted if we can't get the head coach right and deliver success on the pitch.

It's the leadership aspect that often seems missing. We lacked leaders in the dugout and on the pitch last season. It doesn't matter how talented and hard-working the coach is, if he can't motivate the team and create unity in the club, he won't be a success.

[kill_the_drum]

I agree, but the owners seem to have a bit of a blind spot when it comes to appointing a successful and effective leader. Either that or stubbornness. As much as I appreciate the fantastic investment they are making in our infrastructure, that money is wasted if we can't get the head coach right and deliver success on the pitch.

It's the leadership aspect that often seems missing. We lacked leaders in the dugout and on the pitch last season. It doesn't matter how talented and hard-working the coach is, if he can't motivate the team and create unity in the club, he won't be a success.

What is your definition of a leader and how have you arrived at the conclusion that we?ve had ineffective ones?
Whenever I read that I can only assume it?s based on how much he shouts and bellows from the sidelines and how confident/arrogant he is in interviews.

[SmiffyPie]

Chicken and egg thing isn't it. Use available money to get top rate infrastructure in place or go for promotion. Seems to me the Bros have done the egg thing (training ground = infrastructure done, as good as anyway) so let's be seeing the chicken please.

[SwalePie]

Are there any other clubs who operate with a management team of coaches headed by an academic?
I suppose Wenger might have been looked at that way at the start with Arsenal

Headed by an academic? I don't think Dr. Rhodes is coming to coach or pick the team.

[ManchesterMagpie]

I agree, but the owners seem to have a bit of a blind spot when it comes to appointing a successful and effective leader. Either that or stubbornness. As much as I appreciate the fantastic investment they are making in our infrastructure, that money is wasted if we can't get the head coach right and deliver success on the pitch.

It's the leadership aspect that often seems missing. We lacked leaders in the dugout and on the pitch last season. It doesn't matter how talented and hard-working the coach is, if he can't motivate the team and create unity in the club, he won't be a success.

I think it's less about them having a blind spot to appointing a successful and effective leader, and more about them not being able to attract an experienced coach who is prepared to work in the way that our owners want them to (ie. as a Head Coach and not as a 'traditional' Manager being responsible for recruitment etc). It's clear that these owners will not change their model - which to be fair has been fairly successful to date - so any new Head Coach looking for a new role will have to accept that model if they want to come to Notts. It's a big part of their Job Description and only a certain type of coach would be happy to work that way. Luke Williams, Ian Burchnall and Neal Ardley were happy with these arrangements and it generally worked for them.

I agree with you on the Leadership element though. Luke was the right kind of character, big on discipline and he was respected by the players who would run through walls for him. Remember that 'never say die' attitude which saw us come back so many times during the promotion season, including the infamous Borehamwood play-off game? Luke instilled that mentality in the players. Maynard clearly couldn't inspire them and (with all respect) his interviews used to bore a lot of fans so imagine his influence in the dressing room!

Now if only there was another coach like Luke Williams available....

[durhampie]

Chicken and egg thing isn't it. Use available money to get top rate infrastructure in place or go for promotion. Seems to me the Bros have done the egg thing (training ground = infrastructure done, as good as anyway) so let's be seeing the chicken please.

Lets hope its not a daffy duck we will be seeing..

[durhampie]

I think it's less about them having a blind spot to appointing a successful and effective leader, and more about them not being able to attract an experienced coach who is prepared to work in the way that our owners want them to (ie. as a Head Coach and not as a 'traditional' Manager being responsible for recruitment etc). It's clear that these owners will not change their model - which to be fair has been fairly successful to date - so any new Head Coach looking for a new role will have to accept that model if they want to come to Notts. It's a big part of their Job Description and only a certain type of coach would be happy to work that way. Luke Williams, Ian Burchnall and Neal Ardley were happy with these arrangements and it generally worked for them.

I agree with you on the Leadership element though. Luke was the right kind of character, big on discipline and he was respected by the players who would run through walls for him. Remember that 'never say die' attitude which saw us come back so many times during the promotion season, including the infamous Borehamwood play-off game? Luke instilled that mentality in the players. Maynard clearly couldn't inspire them and (with all respect) his interviews used to bore a lot of fans so imagine his influence in the dressing room!

Now if only there was another coach like Luke Williams available....

I dont get this affection for Williams. He only ever achieved anything at none league level, and then we were very fortunate.. You could say he left us 6th in the division, but so did Maynard.

[bule1]

Lets hope its not a daffy duck we will be seeing..

Let's be fair here it said "introducing our new coaching team" so it's Donald aided by Huey, Dewey and Louie you should be concerned about.