In football rules what vents your spleen, pisses you off, revs you up?

[DK_NY]

Number one gripe, and by a mile, simulation. It makes me turn games off when I brave a few minutes of PL or international football, and it's slowly getting far too normal in lower divisions.

Radicalise the lot, starting with cards for simulation even when there's a foul. Two things can be true at the same time, and so often a nothing foul is coupled with play-acting. Book them for that every time. Two minutes off the pitch for anyone who can't get on their feet in 10 seconds. Red cards for players diving for penalties, yellow card anywhere else.

The PL has so much to offer, but it's rare I can watch it for very long because the diving and pretend pain is just embarrassing.

Thats mine too Ulley.

Trouble is refs take the easy option by giving a foul every time a player goes to ground instead of making a judgment. They no longer blow for fouls they blow for going to ground however minimal or none existent the touch. Even in our games there must be a dozen free kicks a game that arent fouls.

It isnt helped by pundits saying he felt a touch hes entitled to go down. In my opinion you are entitled to go down if he knocked you down.

I agree with your view on penalising the play acting even for fouls. No one genuinely injured ever performed a gold medal gymnastics routine on the floor, thats always simulation and its also trying to get a fellow professional sent off.

To eradicate it you would need refs to take the opposite stance, let more fouls go, penalise simulation, potentially make the wrong calls if they missed a slight foul, and possibly ruin a whole season to get the mentality change but it would be worth it. The governing bodies wont go for it though because they think stopping fouls equals more goals and can?t see that football is looking more and more like 1980s wrestling with the acting.

The big thing for me is that if this cheating stops the refereeing should instantly get better because they don?t get conned all the time.

[UlleyMiller]

Of which you will find the majority feigning the injury are foreign players as it is what they are taught from a young age

There are a few books which touch on this subject and offer some kind of mitigation. Culturally we're pretty different in terms of how we approach the game, and one common trait in Spain, Italy, South America, etc, is that they see getting fouls awarded as part of the game. Much like driving on a car's bumper is aggressive to us, on the continent it's not coming from the same place. Not a fan, but my impression is that the 'theatre' that gets rolled up into the game is not the same evil it is to us. Much like the Italian relationship with bribing referees, whilst technically as wrong over there, is not going to be met with people wanting clubs shut down permanently like they probably would here.

Either way, harsher treatment will stop a lot of it.

[UlleyMiller]

Thats mine too Ulley.

Trouble is refs take the easy option by giving a foul every time a player goes to ground instead of making a judgment. They no longer blow for fouls they blow for going to ground however minimal or none existent the touch. Even in our games there must be a dozen free kicks a game that arent fouls.

It isnt helped by pundits saying he felt a touch hes entitled to go down. In my opinion you are entitled to go down if he knocked you down.

I agree with your view on penalising the play acting even for fouls. No one genuinely injured ever performed a gold medal gymnastics routine on the floor, thats always simulation and its also trying to get a fellow professional sent off.

To eradicate it you would need refs to take the opposite stance, let more fouls go, penalise simulation, potentially make the wrong calls if they missed a slight foul, and possibly ruin a whole season to get the mentality change but it would be worth it. The governing bodies wont go for it though because they think stopping fouls equals more goals and can?t see that football is looking more and more like 1980s wrestling with the acting.

The big thing for me is that if this cheating stops the refereeing should instantly get better because they don?t get conned all the time.

It's one positive use (removing the stop/start element) they could have for VAR. Top four divisions reviewed every weekend, fines, bans etc handed out on Monday. I'd take it that far.

[BramleyMiller58]

Premier Ship - Being offside by a toenail. Whatever happened to being onside if you're level ? (Isn't Arsne Wenger trying to get rules amended to be daylight between players ?)

Our level - Throw in's seem to be able to be taken from anywhere. 6m markers on touch line between which throw must be taken or more radical where the ball actually went out of play.
Corners - Stop delaying corners to "sort out" foul play. Just give the foul (one way or the other) after corner is taken. It would soon stop the tussling.

[Brin]

Isn't that just a fallacy Brin? Statistically that's like saying the majority of goals in the PL are scored by foreign players? If the majority of players are foreign then they will statistically fill the majority of categories.

Most of the players I've seen feigning injury at NYS this season didn't seem to be foreign, including those from RUFC.

CAM, not really. The feigning of injury by foreign players has been on the go since I was a kid watching the World Cup in 70.
The rolling about like they'd been shot was never seen in English football in the same period, as English footballers then were men, not the crystal like ballerinas like you see today.

Sadly it has now crept into our beautiful game throughout our Leagues as Managers have allowed this to happen, I call it blatant cheating. In essence, your stats don't tally with the actual point I was making.

[Brin]

It's one positive use (removing the stop/start element) they could have for VAR. Top four divisions reviewed every weekend, fines, bans etc handed out on Monday. I'd take it that far.

Great idea, leave em sweating then wallop! After review, here's a yellow for simulation/diving/blatant cheating but, isn't that a bit Big Brother' watching them?

The FA would end up with a bigger backlog than our current court system

[Brin]

Premier Ship - Being offside by a toenail. Whatever happened to being onside if you're level ? (Isn't Arsne Wenger trying to get rules amended to be daylight between players ?)

Our level - Throw in's seem to be able to be taken from anywhere. 6m markers on touch line between which throw must be taken or more radical where the ball actually went out of play.
Corners - Stop delaying corners to "sort out" foul play. Just give the foul (one way or the other) after corner is taken. It would soon stop the tussling.

Yes gone are the days when the Ref use to warn a player not to move any further upfield before taking a thrown in. If they persisted in doing so, they awarded the throw in the other way for a player trying to gain advantage, 'Ungentlemanly conduct' I think they called it.
In other words, cheating!

[caytonmiller]

After a goal is scored the game restarts after 30 seconds. Any player not in there own half gets a yellow card.

Throw in is also simple to rectify By the ref. Either take it from where you are told to or get a booking

[GlennMiller]

If my understanding is correct, if a player is fouled and requires attention on the field of play, he must leave the field for 30 seconds. If the player committing the foul is booked, the injured player does not have to leave the field after treatment. So if a player is injured by a tackle which is not deemed bookable, but which requires attention, the team with the injured player is penalised through losing a player for 30 seconds - which is madness. If the fouler and the foulee both left the field for 30 seconds, that would surely be fairer?

[Brin]

If my understanding is correct, if a player is fouled and requires attention on the field of play, he must leave the field for 30 seconds. If the player committing the foul is booked, the injured player does not have to leave the field after treatment. So if a player is injured by a tackle which is not deemed bookable, but which requires attention, the team with the injured player is penalised through losing a player for 30 seconds - which is madness. If the fouler and the foulee both left the field for 30 seconds, that would surely be fairer?

Glenn, great point. Get them both off the pitch at the same time.

[Brin]

Matt Hamshaw was interviewed today and asked what he'd like to see take place.

He said he would like to see a Ref in both halves. His view is that the game has become much faster and players have become super fit and can cover ground very quickly and some Refs can't keep up.

He has a major point there as players move balls that quick going forward that even assistant Refs can't keep up with the game at times and they've only one half to cover! This would also remove added pressure on Refs who are chasing a ball and players bombing forward, as the other Ref would pick this up in their half.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Not a rule thing but the praying to imaginary gods, multiple crossings and pointing to the sky really grinds my gears

If they want to pray then get it done before they get down the tunnel

[caytonmiller]

If my understanding is correct, if a player is fouled and requires attention on the field of play, he must leave the field for 30 seconds. If the player committing the foul is booked, the injured player does not have to leave the field after treatment. So if a player is injured by a tackle which is not deemed bookable, but which requires attention, the team with the injured player is penalised through losing a player for 30 seconds - which is madness. If the fouler and the foulee both left the field for 30 seconds, that would surely be fairer?

That's ok until a team in the lead fains injury which leads to a player who's team is chasing the game also being down to 10 men.

[Brin]

That's ok until a team in the lead fains injury which leads to a player who's team is chasing the game also being down to 10 men.

Or the ref has none of it and books the player for feigning injury and rescinds the free kick? Nah too complicated that as he/she wouldn't have given the free kick in the first palce and waved play on.

[millavanilla]

Get rid of v.a.r..if a goalkeeper goes down and he's not seriously injured, fine him a week's wages..3 subs only..1 of them a goalkeeper..