O/T. Waitrose 😡

[ragingpup]

Just read the chief exec of Iceland ( not the country ) has offered the ex Waitrose guy a job !!

Good luck to him 👍

Nice publicity coup for the Iceland boss there. Although I'd be very interested to se etheir direct policy that guides staff on what to do if they witness shop lifting. I have a feeling that Walker Smith will be briefed to do exactly the same as he was told to do at Waitrose. Good luck to the fella, hope the same thing doesn't happen to him again.

Actually I need a cheeky little ready meal for tea tonight. Might put them to the test...

[Pocket rocket]

We don't have any information as to whether the shop lifter will or won't be punished. We know he got out of the shop but we also know that it would have been caught on TV. We also know that the way bigger stores work against shoplifting now is to either 1) have trained staff on the floor who are ready to intervene as we would like or 2) (Most common) Have security to spot the offence, alert management and use CCTV to then give to police decide on next steps. I don't know to what extent there are prosecutions in terms of numbers but a basic stat is that convictions for shoplifting have doubled in the last 3 years. I would say that the prosecution to offence rate is still very low though, with offences increasing due to move to self service, lack of investment (from stores and government in police presence.

So bottom line in answer to your question (when it became more acceptable to punish store person more than offender) is we don't know the facts of the offender and what might happen to him. If he's an infrequent offender, there may just be notices not to offend, if he's frequent then the CCTV may be on it's way to police. As for when it bacame more acceptable, it can't be shown either way if it has. We can see that the number of shoplifting offences has shot up and that lack of trained security and police presence not keeping up with offences, and a completely different way of processing prosecutions. It's a commpletely different world, in some ways you could argue better, in some ways you could argue the opposite. But you can be sure people our age were complaining of much the same thing when they were younger and our children will be making the same comments when they reach our age!

So, by saying (with no pomposity at all I stress) that your daughter would 'do the right thing' do you mean that she would intervene by confronting the offender directly, and that you have signalled that it is a positive thing to confront when you see a shoplifting event? Is that how you measure your superior 'values system'? I would consider the right thing to dio in this situation is for my daughter, or anyone to intervene by informing a staff member and offering to be a witness, leave name and address if she witnessed it happen. Is that not good enough? Is that not 'the right thing'? as you see it.

We'll just have to agree to disagree about whether people have morally gone to pot. There are lots of stories of heroes standing up and doing heroic things, even putting their own safety on the line. But these tend to be when someone else is in danger and I hope that I and my daughter would always try and intervene in any way they can when others are in danger. Less so for protecting shop merch when the company themselves are choosing not to supply trained personnel and we as a collective society have chosen through voting for successive governments who have de-prioritised police presence.

Raging I never questioned your values system or claimed I had a superior one. I said she would do the right thing I’m confident about that. I didn’t signal anything I said she would do the right thing.
She gave immediate life saving assistance on a plane when someone had a heart attack. The stewardess told her to sit down as the plane was coming into land but she ignored it as she just couldn’t do there and do nothing. She will always do the right thing in her eyes whatever that may be
Imo society is lacking people doing the right thing.