L2

[ManorFarmMiller]

Our amazing squad for next season in L2

Cann - crap
Cover - crap
Hall - cant stay fit, will most likely leave if he can
Agbaire - crap
Adeboyega - crap
Spence - cant get fit or stay fit, crap
Douglas - possibly the only positive from this season
Martha - do I need to say?
Nombe - this guy cost us ?1.2m. Let that sink in for a minute - be lucky to get someone to take him off our hands on a free at the moment

Do not offer any of the out of contract players a new deal and dump as many as the in-contract players as possible.

Find a manager who knows how to work in League 2 on a limited budget - oh wait, we fired him last season.
Without a serious change in direction (LC is not the right man) and an experienced manager - backed by investment, we are heading out of the league.

[avondalemiller]

Our amazing squad for next season in L2

Cann - crap
Cover - crap
Hall - cant stay fit, will most likely leave if he can
Agbaire - crap
Adeboyega - crap
Spence - cant get fit or stay fit, crap
Douglas - possibly the only positive from this season
Martha - do I need to say?
Nombe - this guy cost us ?1.2m. Let that sink in for a minute - be lucky to get someone to take him off our hands on a free at the moment

Do not offer any of the out of contract players a new deal and dump as many as the in-contract players as possible.

Find a manager who knows how to work in League 2 on a limited budget - oh wait, we fired him last season.
Without a serious change in direction (LC is not the right man) and an experienced manager - backed by investment, we are heading out of the league.

....bloody hell, I hope you've taken your laces out of your boots...................

[ManorFarmMiller]

I remember the Bergara farce - this feels worse. At least Ronnie came in - but took him 2 attempts to get us out of L2. Who is the next Ronnie Moore for us?

[Tigerish]

Kaleta...another one.
Hamshaw's signings have been diabolically bad.
As for our recruitment and fitness guys, for once I am lost for words. Taxis lining up

[CAMiller]

I remember the Bergara farce - this feels worse. At least Ronnie came in - but took him 2 attempts to get us out of L2. Who is the next Ronnie Moore for us?

3 attempts.

[Brin]

Kaleta...another one.
Hamshaw's signings have been diabolically bad.
As for our recruitment and fitness guys, for once I am lost for words. Taxis lining up

Hamshaws signings or Rob Scott?s recommendation? Doubt Hammy knew non of the European players brought in and took them having a couple of videos played to him.

[Acido]

Goodness me lads, what has gone wrong here ehh.
To my Millers friends Cam, and Frog, and Brin, and co...
Maybe you all need a few days to think about it at least, and take stock etc.
I don't know what to say here, and obviously you don't want my or anybody elses sympathy do you.
Do you rate geordie Lee, do you think he should be kept on for next season ?.

[Derbymiller]

Hamshaws signings or Rob Scott?s recommendation? Doubt Hammy knew non of the European players brought in and took them having a couple of videos played to him.

If MH let players be recruited that he only saw a video far than he is even a bigger fool than I thought he was. I do think that RS has to go, TS needs to address this disaster himself, he was quick to pick up the microphone at Wembley. Stop hiding Mr Stewart.

[mellowmiller]

I'll say again that I don't think the signings were Hamshaw's, I suspect Rob Scott was the driving force behind all of them.
I would really like Paul Davis from the Advertiser to dig into what goes on with the recruitment process at the club but it's probably a bit too controversial an area for him to get involved in.

[fc_miller]

then look at the teams we'll be playing, not many stand out games.
Depending on teams promoted from L2 and National League, only time the away end will be near full would be
Notts County, Chesterfield, Grimsby, York and possibly Oldham.
Which are also probably the only decent away games

[Derbymiller]

Hamshaws signings or Rob Scott?s recommendation? Doubt Hammy knew non of the European players brought in and took them having a couple of videos played to him.

I'll say again that I don't think the signings were Hamshaw's, I suspect Rob Scott was the driving force behind all of them.
I would really like Paul Davis from the Advertiser to dig into what goes on with the recruitment process at the club but it's probably a bit too controversial an area for him to get involved in.

So by that logic SE and MT weren't responsible for the signings or is it just MH that is allowed to play the "not me gov" card?
I suspect that RS is a major issue and as I have said he should be removed. However I do not think that we can white wash the managers from this disaster. At no point has any of them stated whilst employed or after that they were not backed to bring in the players they wanted.

[mellowmiller]

So by that logic SE and MT weren't responsible for the signings or is it just MH that is allowed to play the "not me gov" card?
I suspect that RS is a major issue and as I have said he should be removed. However I do not think that we can white wash the managers from this disaster. At no point has any of them stated whilst employed or after that they were not backed to bring in the players they wanted.

I don't think that MH should be allowed to play the "not me guv" card at all but things clearly changed on recruitment policy when he was appointed.
For a start the salary budget was halved and a significant proportion of it was already being used on high earners like Hugill.
TS also made a few statements about needing value for money and RS was tasked with achieving this (that is a basic part of his job after all).
Matt Taylor didn't have the same constraints and was allowed to spend over ?1 million on a striker from his previous club and Steve Evans was seemingly given free rein to bring in who he wanted resulting in a criminal waste of money on a bunch of duds.
So maybe we shouldn't be surprised that TS tightened the finances and put the responsibility for recruitment squarely at the door of the guy with "recruitment" in his job title.
I'd still like Paul Davis to dig more into the subject but I'm pretty sure he won't!

[Derbymiller]

Hamshaws signings or Rob Scott?s recommendation? Doubt Hammy knew non of the European players brought in and took them having a couple of videos played to him.

I'll say again that I don't think the signings were Hamshaw's, I suspect Rob Scott was the driving force behind all of them.
I would really like Paul Davis from the Advertiser to dig into what goes on with the recruitment process at the club but it's probably a bit too controversial an area for him to get involved in.

I don't think that MH should be allowed to play the "not me guv" card at all but things clearly changed on recruitment policy when he was appointed.
For a start the salary budget was halved and a significant proportion of it was already being used on high earners like Hugill.
TS also made a few statements about needing value for money and RS was tasked with achieving this (that is a basic part of his job after all).
Matt Taylor didn't have the same constraints and was allowed to spend over ?1 million on a striker from his previous club and Steve Evans was seemingly given free rein to bring in who he wanted resulting in a criminal waste of money on a bunch of duds.
So maybe we shouldn't be surprised that TS tightened the finances and put the responsibility for recruitment squarely at the door of the guy with "recruitment" in his job title.
I'd still like Paul Davis to dig more into the subject but I'm pretty sure he won't!

Good explanation. My gut feeling is that over the last few years TS has been less involved and left the day to day to his son and they have been conned by a load of poor quality people that are just not good enough, and that runs from top into the playing staff. TS took his eye of the ball and the end result is a disaster and a mess that cannot be easily fixed. The real question is does he see this and is he willing to act appropriately and undertake a night of the long knives. Will he step up and reconnect with the fans or is he working hard on an exit strategy, and if it is the latter how much damage will be happening whilst that deal trickles through.

[mellowmiller]

Good explanation. My gut feeling is that over the last few years TS has been less involved and left the day to day to his son and they have been conned by a load of poor quality people that are just not good enough, and that runs from top into the playing staff. TS took his eye of the ball and the end result is a disaster and a mess that cannot be easily fixed. The real question is does he see this and is he willing to act appropriately and undertake a night of the long knives. Will he step up and reconnect with the fans or is he working hard on an exit strategy, and if it is the latter how much damage will be happening whilst that deal trickles through.

I think you're probably right about TS and the subsequent mess that's been created.
I'm a bit puzzled about why he wants to remain as chairman after transferring all the shares to his son. That doesn't bode well for things improving any time soon!
I guess the ideal outcome would be that he sells the club to someone with deep pockets who sweeps out all the dead wood at senior management level and puts forward a coherent strategy to create progress.
Unfortunately that's probably just a pipedream and the fear is we'll just muddle along pretty much as we have been doing.
I really hope that's not going to be the case.

[ragingpup]

I think you're probably right about TS and the subsequent mess that's been created.
I'm a bit puzzled about why he wants to remain as chairman after transferring all the shares to his son. That doesn't bode well for things improving any time soon!
I guess the ideal outcome would be that he sells the club to someone with deep pockets who sweeps out all the dead wood at senior management level and puts forward a coherent strategy to create progress.
Unfortunately that's probably just a pipedream and the fear is we'll just muddle along pretty much as we have been doing.
I really hope that's not going to be the case.

You're probably right. After all the vast majority are having to muddle along, living within the means of their income from attendances so not sure why anyone would expect us to be any different