O/T Covid Vaccine mRNA

[frogmiller]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1744140960861397261

[KerrAvon]

But yet the questions mount and the whistleblowers start appearing

Big Pharma Executive Blows Whistle: ‘COVID Vaccines Are Designed To Kill Billions’

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines were deliberately designed to be ineffective and lethal, according to bombshell testimony by pharmaceutical executive Alexandra “Sasha” Latypova.

According to Latypova, the Department of Defense (DoD) had “very clear intent to harm” by executing a “mass genocide of Americans.”

Under the DoD’s control and direction, drug manufacturers like Pfizer, Moderna, and Janssen started mass-producing the shots for Operation Warp Speed – long before the first cases of Covid even appeared, it turns out. These “figurehead” organizations, Latypova insists, were just obeying the DoD’s orders.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/d...fk-jr-podcast/

Happy New Year, Frog.

I have been following this thread and all that I can do is to urge you to think again about where you are getting your information from and consider whether it is reliable.

Here’s a fact a check in relation to the Alexandra Latypova article that you put up:

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/01/scicheck-covid-19-vaccines-tested-in-clinical-trials-despite-strongbogus-social-media-claims-strong/

The sort of people who propagate antivax stuff on social media tend to rail against fact checkers, preferring instead to publish lurid claims with either no peer reviewed science behind them or by relying upon their own ‘interpretation’ of such science.

As I have asked you to consider your sources though, its right that I acknowledge that what fact checkers say should not simply be taken as gospel (who checks the fact checkers?), so I would invite you to conduct your own fact check:

1. What are Alexandra Latypova’s scientific qualifications?
2. What ‘Big Pharma' has she worked for?
3. How is ‘Children's Health Defense’ funded?
4. How much do those working for ‘Children's Health Defense’ earn from that funding?

I disagree with the view that ‘the questions mount and the whistleblowers start appearing’ I have been following this stuff since 2020 and would say that the same claims keep being recycled by the same people, with no evidential basis. If the aim was to cull the world population it wasn’t very successful. It continues to grow and I have had 5 Pfizer jabs and am still around.

You mentioned in post 135 that the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation have both proffited in the Billions in the production of the vaccine

What is the evidence for that claim? The Bill and Melinda Gates foundation is a not-for-profit charitable organisation that spends billions around the world on philanthropic projects.

[frogmiller]

Matt Le Tissier’s raw story as he exposes the truth surrounding the football industry and Covid!! ������

https://twitter.com/i/status/1712064187562643506

Professional footballers don't have to take the jabs as we were told!

[KerrAvon]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1744140960861397261

What is the evidence that this incident had anything to do with vaccination?

This sort of thing demonstrates the issue with the Twitter antvax community. They appear to have become so desperate waiting for the big die off that they now claim any medical episode as being relevant to their claims.

[frogmiller]

What is the evidence that this incident had anything to do with vaccination?

This sort of thing demonstrates the issue with the Twitter antvax community. They appear to have become so desperate waiting for the big die off that they now claim any medical episode as being relevant to their claims.

I have no evidence.! I'm not anti-vax by the way but I am anti mNRA! You easily mix those up as do many people when they raise issues.

[frogmiller]

What is the evidence that this incident had anything to do with vaccination?

This sort of thing demonstrates the issue with the Twitter antvax community. They appear to have become so desperate waiting for the big die off that they now claim any medical episode as being relevant to their claims.

What would be a big die off then. That's something I've not heard being said. Excess mortality?

[ragingpup]

What would be a big die off then. That's something I've not heard being said. Excess mortality?

But the lancet shorter article you linked to seemed to have some very good suggestions as to the number of excess deaths. But you seem to dismiss this purely on one of the contributors. I've not seen any better explanations that site rational thought in trying to dissect an extremely situation of a global pandemic, huge world responses and then seen and unforeseen consequences. We seem to be ignoring rational science based explanations for simplistic conspiracies without evidence that in many cases can't even survive basic fact checking.

[frogmiller]

But the lancet shorter article you linked to seemed to have some very good suggestions as to the number of excess deaths. But you seem to dismiss this purely on one of the contributors. I've not seen any better explanations that site rational thought in trying to dissect an extremely situation of a global pandemic, huge world responses and then seen and unforeseen consequences. We seem to be ignoring rational science based explanations for simplistic conspiracies without evidence that in many cases can't even survive basic fact checking.

I thought that I had said that the Pfizer link in the declaration of interest and that at no point had the vaccine itself not been considered as a course raises red flags.

[ragingpup]

I thought that I had said that the Pfizer link in the declaration of interest and that at no point had the vaccine itself not been considered as a course raises red flags.

You did and it does. But I don't think there is any actual science based evidence that stands scrutiny, that the vaccine is any significant factor in the excess deaths, hence them not considering it. If ytou get past that, then there are very reasonable and complex explnations that the article that you linked us to raises.

[frogmiller]

You did and it does. But I don't think there is any actual science based evidence that stands scrutiny, that the vaccine is any significant factor in the excess deaths, hence them not considering it. If ytou get past that, then there are very reasonable and complex explnations that the article that you linked us to raises.

It's not too early in the use of the mNRA to carry out independent tests like the ones in this link. This, with full diclosure and transparency would put people like me at ease.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html

[ragingpup]

It's not too early in the use of the mNRA to carry out independent tests like the ones in this link. This, with full diclosure and transparency would put people like me at ease.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/co...s-history.html

Don't studies like this help at all?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(22)00054-8/fulltext

[KerrAvon]

I have no evidence.! I'm not anti-vax by the way but I am anti mNRA! You easily mix those up as do many people when they raise issues.

So the image of the sportsman having an apparent medical episode may have no links to vaccinations whatsoever. Doesn’t it worry you that such images are being exploited in that fashion?

I have not suggested that you are antivax. You have made it clear from the outset that you are not and I have not questioned that. I’m sorry if I gave that impression

The social media sources that your quoting are largely hardcore antivaxers, however. They have happily made a living peddling vaccine myths (and often myths about other subjects) for decades.

[KerrAvon]

What would be a big die off then. That's something I've not heard being said. Excess mortality?

I assume that you had a big die off in mind. In post 135 you asked:

Is this just a money making scheme or is it much more synister? Have the elites like Bill Gates and the WEF really got into a position where they can reduce the worlds population as they've been openly saying?.

That's pretty standard fare for the sources that you have been looking at (and posting).

We have been through a pandemic of a disease that can damage multiple organs and the response to which disrupted normal health care provision. The only surprise would be if we were not seeing excess mortality.

In the UK, the fact that people who are taken seriously ill may have to wait several hours for an ambulance to attend to take them to understaffed hospitals is also probably playing a part.

[frogmiller]

Don't studies like this help at all?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...054-8/fulltext

Thanks

That's going to take me some time to go through.

[ragingpup]

Thanks

That's going to take me some time to go through.

Just take 15 mins away from twitter!