O/T Covid Vaccine mRNA

[KerrAvon]

It was my body and my choice before and if I was in the UK when I had it I would have been dead!

Thankfully the French health system kept going whilst yours closed down!

The choice wasn’t with the full details with an experimental drug.
Vaccines normally take 10 to 15 years to develop.

You know the rest!

Are you assuming that you were harmed by the vaccine or do you have an authorative diagnosis?

Either way, you are missing the point; every peer reviewed study that I am aware of confirms that the benefits of the vaccines outweighs the very rare occasion where they caused harm. On that basis then of course they must continue to be available to the public.

It goes back to my seat belt analogy. Seat belts can cause serious injury and death, but the extent to which they prevent serious harm and death far outweighs that risk.

I am aware that might seem harsh, but none of the above has a bearing upon the tragedy that can flow from side effects or would justify lightly imposed mandates.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Or in fewer words, the legal people make a lot of money out if it.

[frogmiller]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(23)00221-1/fulltext

I thought that the UK didn't have excess deaths.

Several causes, including cardiovascular diseases, show a relative excess greater than that seen in deaths from all-causes (9%) over the same period (week ending 3rd June 2022–30th June 2023), namely: all cardiovascular diseases (12%), heart failure (20%), ischaemic heart diseases (15%), liver diseases (19%), acute respiratory infections (14%), and diabetes (13%).6

For middle-aged adults (50–64) in this 13-month period, the relative excess for almost all causes of death examined was higher than that seen for all ages. Deaths involving cardiovascular diseases were 33% higher than expected, while for specific cardiovascular diseases, deaths involving ischaemic heart diseases were 44% higher, cerebrovascular diseases 40% higher and heart failure 39% higher. Deaths involving acute respiratory infections were 43% higher than expected and for diabetes, deaths were 35% higher. Deaths involving liver diseases were 19% higher than expected for those aged 50–64, the same as for deaths at all ages.9

[frogmiller]

Are you assuming that you were harmed by the vaccine or do you have an authorative diagnosis?

Either way, you are missing the point; every peer reviewed study that I am aware of confirms that the benefits of the vaccines outweighs the very rare occasion where they caused harm. On that basis then of course they must continue to be available to the public.

It goes back to my seat belt analogy. Seat belts can cause serious injury and death, but the extent to which they prevent serious harm and death far outweighs that risk.

I am aware that might seem harsh, but none of the above has a bearing upon the tragedy that can flow from side effects or would justify lightly imposed mandates.

Every Vaccine has casualties! I know that and I'm not saying otherwise. What I am saying that the mNRA vaccine is an experimental drug that was given emergency license.

My health issues start just after my second vaccine jab, and yes I am recognised within the French system and I do get a monthly pension until the day I retire.

There you go on about seat belts as if it is siomething remotely simular. If a car manufacturer fitted a new type of seat belt that was found to be faulty they would be forced to stop fitting them and any vehicle with the faulty ones would be recalled. It is the same reason that the ISO system works well. Any batch of faulty goods can be traced and recalled!

[frogmiller]

There is a video of the money that is paid to the medical profession in the UK. The guy calls it curruption yet it may be sponsorship

https://x.com/ABridgen/status/1799710085595468050

[Eternal Optimist]

I've spotted the problem, EO.

The case that the article concerns was an appeal against a decision to strike out a court case in which it was alleged that the LA vaccines mandate was unlawful. The strike out was based on a previous decision in which it was held that mandates were lawful where the vaccine in question was a compulsory treatment for the health benefit of others.

The appellants argued that the earlier decision was based on a different factual position as the CDC had subsequently changed their definition of 'vaccine'.

The court didn't make a ruling on whether the COVID vaccines prevent transmission. They didn't need to. They simply accepted that the change in the definition of the word vaccine might take the current case out of the ambit of the earlier decision. The claim in your link was a mere sales puff or a load of bollox, if you prefer.

The decision strikes me as quite a poor one. The definition of 'vaccine' is a matter of fact, not something that is determined by what the CDC says.

It's actually quite an interesting case and one that I will watch as it progresses.

From this I have deduced that in your search for your truth, you either can't or don't distinguish between froth and fact. That's a very dangerous place to be if you are a regular visitor to rabid antivaxx sites that are heavy on froth and low on fact.

With the sheer depth of your knowledge, I'm amazed you're not employed directing the lawyer RFK Jr. I suggest you email him - he may be glad to hear of your version of this.

[KerrAvon]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...221-1/fulltext

I thought that the UK didn't have excess deaths.

Several causes, including cardiovascular diseases, show a relative excess greater than that seen in deaths from all-causes (9%) over the same period (week ending 3rd June 2022–30th June 2023), namely: all cardiovascular diseases (12%), heart failure (20%), ischaemic heart diseases (15%), liver diseases (19%), acute respiratory infections (14%), and diabetes (13%).6

For middle-aged adults (50–64) in this 13-month period, the relative excess for almost all causes of death examined was higher than that seen for all ages. Deaths involving cardiovascular diseases were 33% higher than expected, while for specific cardiovascular diseases, deaths involving ischaemic heart diseases were 44% higher, cerebrovascular diseases 40% higher and heart failure 39% higher. Deaths involving acute respiratory infections were 43% higher than expected and for diabetes, deaths were 35% higher. Deaths involving liver diseases were 19% higher than expected for those aged 50–64, the same as for deaths at all ages.9

Who said that the UK isn't experiencing excess deaths?

It's hardly surprising given that the country has just experienced a pandemic of a disease that can damage multi organs, has poor health generally and has a failing health system.

New Zealand is the country that antivaxxers don't like to talk about (unless they're talking bollox). In 2021 around 95% of its population received COVID vaccines and showed a negative excess deaths.

[KerrAvon]

Every Vaccine has casualties! I know that and I'm not saying otherwise. What I am saying that the mNRA vaccine is an experimental drug that was given emergency license.

My health issues start just after my second vaccine jab, and yes I am recognised within the French system and I do get a monthly pension until the day I retire.

There you go on about seat belts as if it is siomething remotely simular. If a car manufacturer fitted a new type of seat belt that was found to be faulty they would be forced to stop fitting them and any vehicle with the faulty ones would be recalled. It is the same reason that the ISO system works well. Any batch of faulty goods can be traced and recalled!

Who is talking about faulty seat belts (or covid vaccines)?

The point is that both can cause injury, but at a rate that is outweighed by their benefits.

[KerrAvon]

With the sheer depth of your knowledge, I'm amazed you're not employed directing the lawyer RFK Jr. I suggest you email him - he may be glad to hear of your version of this.

I don't think there would be much point. I suspect that his mind is as closed as yours and that he has grown to like having a little band of followers hanging on to his every pronouncement.

Some lawyers are overrated. Trust me on this.

[frogmiller]

mRNA research for vaccines has being going on since the 1960s

Yes it has and it’s been abandoned so many times because of its dangers.

[frogmiller]

Who said that the UK isn't experiencing excess deaths?

It's hardly surprising given that the country has just experienced a pandemic of a disease that can damage multi organs, has poor health generally and has a failing health system.

New Zealand is the country that antivaxxers don't like to talk about (unless they're talking bollox). In 2021 around 95% of its population received COVID vaccines and showed a negative excess deaths.

You did!!!!!!!

You also applauded the way they changed the way the government counts the death rate after saying that the old system was outdated.

In New Zealand they jailed the guy who blew the whistle!

[frogmiller]

I don't think there would be much point. I suspect that his mind is as closed as yours and that he has grown to like having a little band of followers hanging on to his every pronouncement.

Some lawyers are overrated. Trust me on this.

Wow!

You can’t resist denouncing a professional can you. He’s brave enough to point his finger and stand up for what he believes.

He has put himself up for election, so did I and I was elected but you never answered my question. Have you ever stood for election and if so were you trusted enough to be elected ?

If not tell me, were you the school head boy or a prefect?

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Yes it has and it’s been abandoned so many times because of its dangers.

No it hasn’t

That’s what science does, probes new ideas, most end up in dead ends but sometimes something new and innovative comes along.

[frogmiller]

No it hasn’t

That’s what science does, probes new ideas, most end up in dead ends but sometimes something new and innovative comes along.

It was abandoned by many scientists because they couldn’t make it work.

The new untested version was given emergency license and was allowed to be pumped into people around the world without the correct protocol. Warp speed they called it in the USA and a chance to make millions by your prime minister

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

It was abandoned by many scientists because they couldn’t make it work.

The new untested version was given emergency license and was allowed to be pumped into people around the world without the correct protocol. Warp speed they called it in the USA and a chance to make millions by your prime minister

Exactly, some things are dead ends but in medical science most abandonments are down to research funding drying up.