O/T Is Elon Musk more powerful than Trump?

[John2]

? child like understandings? lol

That?s a very clumsy back door insult

Normally I'd be a bit more polite about it, but the ignorance on display here isn't just tragic, if it wasn't because of a childlike understanding of the situation it would be treasonous.

Those that do not learn the lessons from history are destined to repeat them.

Those suggesting appeasement as a strategy to pacify a dictator like Putin and "save British lives" really need to go and look at how succesful the British strategy of appeasement was in 1935-39 in preventing further war and the loss of British lives.

[John2]

Exactly how many wars have you seen finished?

How do you see the Ukraine war finishing? Tell us like an adult as you are so grown up!

I think with proper continued support from the West the Russian economy will collapse, and consequently the government/ability to wage war.

I think this would happen without the need for any other nation's forces to need to be directly involved.

It's basic game theory, if someone starts a war and achieves some sort of victory, it incentivises further wars.

It leads to more conflict, not less. It's why appeasement is a dumb strategy. Being anti-appeasement isn't the same as being pro war. Being anti-appeasement is beause in the long run it leads to less war, less lives lost, less economic ruin.

[animallittle3]

Normally I'd be a bit more polite about it, but the ignorance on display here isn't just tragic, if it wasn't because of a childlike understanding of the situation it would be treasonous.

Those that do not learn the lessons from history are destined to repeat them.

Those suggesting appeasement as a strategy to pacify a dictator like Putin and "save British lives" really need to go and look at how succesful the British strategy of appeasement was in 1935-39 in preventing further war and the loss of British lives.

Your another one whose fallen for the Zelenskyy line of all that stands between You and Putin is Ukraine .

Putin is 3 years in to a war next door that he hasn't even looked remotely like winning and you think he's some Third Reich on the move in Europe .

The Germans in 1939 poured more troops and hardware in to Poland in an hour than what Putin will ever get his hands on period .

To end this stalemate requires negotiations and if Zelenskyy doesn't want to compromise on anything with Putin then he should be told by the European political class that he's on his own .

If Zelenskyy thinks the European tax payer should be paying for his continued " Forever War " when some compromise and a deal can be made he's going to found out different before too long .

This particular bunch of European political class are on their way out and they'll be replaced by other politicians who'll eventually tell Zelenskyy to do one .

[frogmiller]

I think with proper continued support from the West the Russian economy will collapse, and consequently the government/ability to wage war.

I think this would happen without the need for any other nation's forces to need to be directly involved.

It's basic game theory, if someone starts a war and achieves some sort of victory, it incentivises further wars.

It leads to more conflict, not less. It's why appeasement is a dumb strategy. Being anti-appeasement isn't the same as being pro war. Being anti-appeasement is beause in the long run it leads to less war, less lives lost, less economic ruin.

So a country with all of the resources necessary with the BRIC alongside and others that detest the west supplying arms will soon crumble?

Your game theory is a sales gambit that was taught 30 years ago! If you can convince your customer that they have a good deal and you and the company you represent have made a profit and can have a good relationship in the future to gain more sales then it?s win win!

That?s a sales gambit and it can only be played put at diplomat level.

Although you probably won?t believe me but when I was in Iran we used such measures but today it means sweet FA because you have to keep up the contact!
As Ukraine, Europe and the USA have not kept up diplomacy with Russia it is hard to imagine that game theory can be implicated!

[ragingpup]

Wondering what Trump supporters onhere make of his sidekick and key policy dude Vance Warner comments on the UK military forces today “20k troops from some random country that hasn’t fought a war in 30 or 40 years”.

[great_fire]

Wondering what Trump supporters onhere make of his sidekick and key policy dude Vance Warner comments on the UK military forces today ?20k troops from some random country that hasn?t fought a war in 30 or 40 years?.

He says he wasn't talking Britain or France.

Although he does seem unaware of how many European countries fought in Afghanistan, because it was a lot.

[ragingpup]

He says he wasn't talking Britain or France.

Although he does seem unaware of how many European countries fought in Afghanistan, because it was a lot.

He says that now having realised he what he's said! But if seeing as only 2 countries, UK and France, have pledged to support Ukraise with troops on the ground, not sure who else he could have been referring to?

[CAMiller]

He says he wasn't talking Britain or France.

Although he does seem unaware of how many European countries fought in Afghanistan, because it was a lot.

Spot the difference. JD (James David) Vance or JD (James Danforth) Quayle. You say potato I say potatoe

[KerrAvon]

Quayle was funny. Vance isn't.

[animallittle3]

Wondering what Trump supporters onhere make of his sidekick and key policy dude Vance Warner comments on the UK military forces today “20k troops from some random country that hasn’t fought a war in 30 or 40 years”.

Vance might want to reflect on the fact we'd more sense to keep out of Vietnam and not have our asses handed to us like the US did .

He might also want to remember we went to the other side of the world in 1982 after UK land was invaded and were back within 6 weeks with the Union Jack flying above Port Stanley once again .

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Partially, yes. The registration giveaways would not sit well in the UK, but between a weak opposition, millions of backwater types in the third world regions of the US, and free speech being an unhinged concept over there, it wasn't just Musk's money.

He's an incredibly bright, autistic, tax avoiding, ethically challenged, seemingly charismatic, South African who likes to play the online and offline troll. A living embodiment of the dangerous knife edge we've allowed by enabling incomprehensible wealth accumulation and the abandonment of responsibility around free speech. Someone who could be a massively positive force for good, but who seems more content being disruptive, notorious, and unpredictable.

?Millions of backwater types in the third world regions of the US?. ??

Trump won just about everywhere

[Eternal Optimist]

It's deplorable.

[frogmiller]

I think with proper continued support from the West the Russian economy will collapse, and consequently the government/ability to wage war.

I think this would happen without the need for any other nation's forces to need to be directly involved.

It's basic game theory, if someone starts a war and achieves some sort of victory, it incentivises further wars.

It leads to more conflict, not less. It's why appeasement is a dumb strategy. Being anti-appeasement isn't the same as being pro war. Being anti-appeasement is beause in the long run it leads to less war, less lives lost, less economic ruin.

Appently Europe buys more gas now from russia than it did before the war. The oil based products bought from India is being supplied to them by Russia so what is happening is the BRIC countries growing in strength.

I don't know if you have kids, I have and I don't want them involved in this war.

Game theory is easy to understand. Like I said before it is used in many industries to gain and keep clients happy.

[frogmiller]

He says that now having realised he what he's said! But if seeing as only 2 countries, UK and France, have pledged to support Ukraise with troops on the ground, not sure who else he could have been referring to?

Any country that is supplying complicated weaponery will have boots on the ground!

[frogmiller]

Normally I'd be a bit more polite about it, but the ignorance on display here isn't just tragic, if it wasn't because of a childlike understanding of the situation it would be treasonous.

Those that do not learn the lessons from history are destined to repeat them.

Those suggesting appeasement as a strategy to pacify a dictator like Putin and "save British lives" really need to go and look at how succesful the British strategy of appeasement was in 1935-39 in preventing further war and the loss of British lives.

Your fears on the appeasement of 35 to 39 ire interesting!

At that time there was a land grab and a purge on people! exactly what Starmer has done. The interesting part is that you beleive yourself to be far too intelligent than us so your reasoning must be correct! It is BS coming from you and the way you first insult and put down is there for all to see.
The people that will be asked to fight will be the very same people that don't like the way Starmer is behaving since taking power.

By the way I don't think that there was a country that lost more lives in the second world war than Russia.